InDesign - Master Pages Based On Master (facing pages)

[cfp24juin]

Simple facing document with one master page A (facing pages) and two master pages (facing pages) based on Master A.

Master page A applied to all pages.

WHEN APPLYING Master page B on a right page, one element disappears on the left page???

Been trying to find a solution for over a year. In it again now, and still cannot find a solution.

Please help! My students are near an exam, and the Based on option is necessary.

[Steve Werner]

Version of InDesign? What operating system? Please provide screen captures to help us understand.

[MaC_CSRS]

Hello Steve!

Here is my document : Dropbox - C17-exercice SECTION.indd

And a video demonstrating my problem : Dropbox - feb162018-masterPAGE InDegisn problem.mov

Not the first time this happens. As if the «Based on» doesn't work properly.

Thank you!!

[Barb Binder]

Hi mac_csrs :

I don't see any reason for this to happen, but I was able to reproduce it in the file you posted.

• I broke the link between A and B (basing B on None) and it worked correctly, as you described above.
• I relinked them (basing B on A) and the problem was resolved for B, but C was still an issue.
• I broke the link between C and A (basing C on none), tested, and then relinked C to A or B, and I couldn't make the issue happen again.

Try basing both B and C on None, and then relink them to A and let us know if that takes care of it.

~Barb

[MaC_CSRS]

True! It is working here also! But we really need to link it to Master C, otherwise elements are missing.

But it is like a bug. Hoping it will be fixed!

I will give this trick to my student.

Thank you very much Barb!

Danielle

[Barb Binder]

Hi Danielle:

I guess I wasn't clear. What worked for me was unlinking— and then relinking—the master pages. When I did that:

• A-Master is the parent
• B-Master is relinked to A
• C-Master is relinked to A (or to B)

Once I did that, the file worked as it should have from the beginning. I think there was an issue with the file, and not an issue with InDesign.

~Barb

[MaC_CSRS]

Yes! You were clear!  Thanks!

I tested it again... and realized it works when delinking and relinking BECAUSE by relinking, the elements of A-Master is copied under the colored blocks of B-Master (two colored block are superposed).

Dropbox - testing BASED ON no2.indd

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1xklh5xkewvwr0y/testing%20BASED%20ON%20no2.indd?dl=0

In this new document, I was able to see it because I modified the shapes of my blocks.

I am not sure the file is the problem, because since last year it always happens when I or my students use the «Based on» option in any InDesign documents. Maybe it is our method of doing it?

Thanks again! 

[Barb Binder]

Hi Danielle:

Based on Rob's experiment and my personal long-time experience of sequential builds, I'd recommend linking C to B and see if the problem goes away forever.

~Barb

[MaC_CSRS]

Yeah... it is working partly, because when I do that, any page made with B-Master will loose the rectangle positioned in the bleed when I applied C-Master (based on Master B) to the right page...

Really what works best is duplicating the Masters... The «Based on» just does not work when elements are touching the border or bleeding... Darn!!!

Thanks again Barb for guiding me!

Danielle

[rob day]

It is a bug like behavior and it doesn't appear to be limited to your doc or CC2018. I was able to replicate it by building a new doc with 2 masters based on A.

I can fix the problem by dragging the left and right blue boxes on Master A out of the bleed and then putting them back in place. So:

Dropbox - C17-exercice SECTIONZeno.indd

[Barb Binder]

Thanks for taking the time to keystroke this, Rob. I have never based two custom masters on a single master before—I just build them sequentially. So you think that was the issue?

I started there, but after unlinking/relinking I had identical results linking C to either A or B.

Based on your answer, I'll continue my sequential master page builds. B based on A, C based on B, D based on C, etc. But I am now curious if you, or others base multiple masters on A.

~Barb

[MaC_CSRS]

Hello Barb,

I just read your comment to Rob.

On my part, as a teacher, I always teaches to use the Base on option, and it always worked, until last year, after a update of InDesign. Gave me a lot of problems during a exam last year. I hoped it would be fixed, but it didn’t.

Thanks again!

Danielle

[rob day]

I was able to replicate the problem in a new document before I found the moving-off-the-bleeds fix for your doc, but now I can't remake a new problem file, so it does seem to be intermittent and difficult to reproduce. I thought it related to initially drawing the boxes outside of the trim, but now that doesn't seem to be the problem.

I use Based On for all of my masters—usually so I only have to set the running feet and pagination once—and I've never seen this.

[MaC_CSRS]

Hello Rob,

Maybe the problem is intermittent in the 2014 version?

We used 2014 as long as we could last year with our students, that would explain the intermittent problem...

Thank you again!

Danielle

[rob day]

I just checked your file on my 2018 test volume and didn't have any problem applying the masters. Have you tried resetting your preferences and caches? Try the caches first.

Have you checked the fixed file I posted at the end of #10

[MaC_CSRS]

Hi Rob,

Just tried your fixed file «SECTIONZeno» with Preferences and Cache reseted, and it does the same thing. I lose the elements.

It really looks like a bug that was there in 2017 and in 2018 also.

Thanks!

How can I ask Adobe to fix this bug? Do you know?

[Barb Binder]

You can post both bugs and feature requests here, Danielle.

Adobe InDesign Feedback

~Barb

[MaC_CSRS]

Thank you Barb!

Have a nice day!

Danielle.

[MaC_CSRS]

Ok. The thing is that is works when applying B-Master to a left page... but will eliminate the object bleeding when applied to a right page...!!!

Thanks Rob!

[rob day]

until last year, after a update of InDesign

I was testing your file in 2014, so it doesn't seem to be a 2018 update problem

[MaC_CSRS]

Yeah! The problem is there!!! The bleed, but also even if the block is placed at x = 0 and y = 0!!!

Thank you Rob...

So it seems to be a bug... Ouch!

Complicated to work, with that.

I will thou tell my students to just make a copy of Master-A... for now, until that bug is resolved!!!

Thank you again!

[MaC_CSRS]

The only problem with relinking is that, with that particular design of colored elements of the same shape and size, is that there is a copy of the rectangle from A-Master being placed under the old one. If the shape of the B-Master is modified, you can see the duplicate under.

[SJRiegel]

Go back to Master page A, and make sure that none of the elements cross over the center line. An object meant to be on the left-hand-page could be mapped to the right-hand one if its right edge is on the right-hand page.

[MaC_CSRS]

Hello SJ!

Yeah... done that. Nothing crosses over...

In fact, when the master page B is not «Based on» (and everything copy/paste on) there is no problem. But what is the use of «Based on» if it doesn’t work. I had that problem intermittently with my students last year, but couldn’t find a way out.

Here a link to my document : Dropbox - C17-exercice SECTION.indd 

Thanks!

[Barb Binder]

And I'm happy to take a quick look. You can put the file (or just a few pages of the file) on dropbox and post a link here (public) or message me by hovering over my name (private).

~Barb