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February 3, 2024
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  • February 3, 2024
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I am working on a little book with my friend. I used Adobe Illustrator to make the cover and in the pricess of working with InDesign to make the book. I am new to KDP book formatting, but have used these programs before - there is so much murky information out there its a bit overwhelming. 

 

I was hoping to receive some help to make sure that I am starting out with the right dimensions/template for the print version interior pages of the book. 

 

Interior pages: Black and White only with no bleed. (Small black and white images at each chapter.) 

 

Paperback trim size: 5 x 7.5 inches (custom size)

Page Count: 24-150 pages

Inside margins: 0.5 inches

Outside margins: 0.5 inches 

 

Also posting here the document size etc. 

 

Also any free resources to learn about this process (design with Acrobat programs to publish with Amazon for both print and ebook) would be awesome - it has been a steep learning curve for sure. 

 

Thanks so much! 

Correct answer James Gifford—NitroPress

James - Thanks for all your amazing help so far with the book.

 

We have received our proof copy and found that some of the black and white images had a faint white horizontal line across them and generally looking pretty low quality.  We have printed the proof copy standard, not premium color. Images were in CMYK - I have since then went back and changed all the photos to GREYSCALE (we are also printing with Ingram, and they require the images to be in GREYSCALE) and checked my PDF proof on the computer, and like the way it looks. 

 

I have exported the book from Idesign as PDF/X-1a (per the KDP guidelines). 

 

Do you have a better export settings recommendation from Idesign to get the best quality black and white photographs? We are printing a second proof copy. 

 

For the book cover from Illustrator, I have done a simple pdf export, high quality print and it looked good on our proof.

 

Thanks again for all your help!

 

Dorka  


KDP proof/author copies are the next thing to worthless except to check page comp, binding/cover layout accuracy and organization. They are little more than an equivalent of the old "blue-back" advance reader copies of books, if you've ever encountered them.

 

For one thing, despite the insistence of some KDPgurus™, they are not run on the main production lines, but on secondary printers of office-grade quality (if that) and questionable maintenance/calibration. So the print quality, cover and binding alignment and overall finish are in no way representative of a production copy. This is true nowhere more than image quality. Regular KDP quality can be a little iffy, with fades and streaks found in something like 10% of print runs. (All copies in modest print runs are usually consistent, but maybe one run in ten is either wholly flawed or has flawed copies in it.)

 

It's perhaps the best example of Amazon's weird save-pennies-in-the-wrong-places model for KDP. But the bottom line is that proof/author copies are only worth ordering if you have questions about how the book, overall, comes out of the chute — not for anything like a a quality or "press" check.

 

Editorial mode off now. 🙂

 

Because of the poor loop from submission to actual print copy, it's hard to guess how every image will come out. (Keep in mind that Amazon has several printing plants across North America alone, more around the world, and most have multiple production lines... so consistency is completely out the window.) Their recommended standards are quite vague and as many other things in their info system are out of date or just plain wrong, it's foolish to put too much faith in accuracy of those standards. (Okay, wait, I said editorial mode off...)

 

For black and white interiors, I recommend converting images to grayscale, as you've done, and using Photoshop's Black and White conversion feature to select the right "curve" for each image to get a good eyeball result. Be sure to place them at 300ppi or greater (effective — as the Info window shows you). I rarely bother with PDF standards for these kind of exports, but I do set the color mode to grayscale using the sGray color model — which makes the color/standards gururs here weep and tear their hair at my slackiness — and I have yet to have serious issues with the printed resolution and tonal range of images in any KDP production-printed book. (I am fortunate in that I have seen very, very few image issues such as fading or streaks, but I have no idea what my customers get.)

 

You can do a reasonable job of proofing by printing the image pages on a any good office-grade printer, preferably a laser printer with optimized resolution and a grayscale mode. (That is, not a low cost-per-page general printer or a photo printer.) If nothing else, it should give you a good approximation of the tonal range of the image as it will print from KDP. My experience across time and platforms and projects is that there's a tendency to make monochrome images too dark/low in tonal range, which looks good on the screen but tends to print dark and muddy. So once you find an optimal setting, get used to what might seem like slightly washed-out images in the ID layout.

 

So—

  • Don't rely on KDP author proofs. Order them only if you need "proof" of how the book will go together, but not for any print or finish quality issues.
  • It's not a workaround to publish the book and order Author Copies, which will come from a regular production line... but take at least three weeks to arrive. (This is a deliberate delay by KDP; I have had customers get books in hand from a new listing ten to twelve days before I got my "Author Copies.")
  • Convert all monochrome images to grayscale and insert at 300+ effective PPI.
  • From good-office-printer proofs, adjust image tonal range; these may look light or washed out in the ID layout.
  • Submit the interior PDF using any PDF standard you choose (X-1a is as good as any), but set the color mode to grayscale/sGray color model.

 

That should get you the best results, consistently, although once you actually get production copies you may find you need to change the tonal range of some images. Don't obsess over it, given the variability of KDP output, but fix really dark or light images towards a better "center."

 

Hope that helps.

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James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
August 16, 2024

Are these dots/periods at the very end of the export? Or somewhere in the middle?

 

They are not any artifact of ID or export, I don't think. I'd bet they are leftover paragraphs or text frames, somewhere outside the main text flow and possibly somewhere off the page boards. One quick way to find them would be to zoom out, with all guidelines and frames visible, and page through the document looking for stray text frames off the pages.

 

Another would be to search for <paragraph return><dot>, which might hunt them down anywhere they're hiding. (A search for dot-return would turn up every sentence, which would be tedious but might be necessary; I can't think of a tidy GREP string that would narrow down the search.)

 

But I think those dot/periods are in the doc somewhere and just need to be found and deleted. If they are at the end of an export section or the document, they could be anywhere, not necessarily where they are showing up in the exported text.

 

Hope that helps.

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August 18, 2024

Thanks James. I ended up narrowing down the pages where the "dots" originated from  - and had to just re-create those pages. I tried searching for hidden text box, find/change any unsual hidden characters - but couldn't find it. 

 

I found the creation of the e-pub hard! It seems like there is not a whole lot of consistency and with not being able to preview the changes live unless I do an export, feels like a whole lot of extra work. I focused mainly on having a decent document I was happy with on amazon kindle preview and ibook reader. I used adobe digital editions too as the 3rd preview. 

 

Thank you for all your help throughout the process, I really appreciate it. 

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
August 18, 2024

Good! Sometimes you don't find the actual fault, but throwing out the faulty context and replacing it gets the job done.

 

As I may have said in this thread and have said in many others, EPUB is deceptive for new users. I think most approach it as if it's printing or export to PDF — just point, click, export and there you go. That it's a process that requires careful planning and document construction and 'management' to get a successful result comes as a shock. (I've seen comments by many who tried it once or twice and walked away with opinions varying from "it doesn't work" to "InDesign is crappy at it.") I sort of wish there was a pop-up on the export menu that warned newcomers, "This is harder than it looks. Be patient" — but they probably woudn't read it, anyway. 🙂

 

And, if I haven't said, ADE is lousy, lousy tool, especially for EPUB. Use Calibre Reader for plain EPUB viewing and proofing, and keep an eye on Thorium Reader, which is in theory superior but is just now addressing some longstanding faults.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
February 3, 2024

KDP print books are a fairly easy process, assuming three things:

  • You have reasonable mastery of InDesign, especially in page layout (size, margins, facing pages, headers/footers). If you're still learning these, a few tutorials or videos will help you get things right without a lot of trial-and-error.
  • You should follow all the page and trim size numbers given you by KDP to the dot. It looks as if you know this and have all the numbers you need for your desired trim size. Covers are much fussier and have to wait until you have a final page count (to determine the spine thickness); the best way to do your first cover or two is to enter the numbers in the spine-width calculator and download the template it generates. (You can actually lay that image into a background layer in InDesign as a visual design reference.)
  • Don't try anything tricky with your layout. KDP simply does not allow things like upside-down pages, back-to-back books (like the old Ace Doubles), or many other "clever" or "unusual" layouts. Keep it all standard or the bots will reject the submission.

 

Basically, if you can export the content to suitable PDFs, you'll be good to go. But again, having more than basic PDF export knowledge helps with things like bleeds, color profiles, etc.

 

E-books are another whole world, although KDP/Kindle is one of the easier ones to deal with. It is NOT just a matter of exporting the same book file to EPUB; you have to follow some different rules to get a clean, well-organized export. Here is a basic primer on InDesign-to-EPUB/Kindle, and there are some more advanced essays in the same place: http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/DPR/dpr_indesign_epub_basics.php.

 

Happy to answer questions and help as you move your project along.

 

ETA: You will probably do better to do the cover layout in InDesign and pull any design or illustration assets into it from Illustrator. Much easier to manage in the resizing and export for print.

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February 3, 2024

Hello!

 

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help. 

 

Currently chewing my way formatting the print version. 

 

I keep second guessing my margin choices. We are aiming for a clean "easy to read" look. Currently it is 0.5 inches all around. I keep thinking that having a larger inside margin larger (0.7 or more?) would be a better idea? It is a small book with not a lot of pages so the spine will be minimal but is there an industry standard or is it completely personal preference (as long as following the KDP guidelines?).

 

Thanks again.

 

 

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
February 3, 2024

A larger inside margin is almost always needed. The smaller the book and even more so the smaller the page count/thickness, especially with a "tight" binding like perfect-bound, the larger it should be for convenient reading. On a 6x9 book, I typically use 1 inch inside, 1/2-inch outside (well, actually 6pc and 3pc — picas are so much more convenient for print layout! 🙂 ) We've all read books that have too small an inside margin and are a PITA to read without breaking the spine. Your readers will appreciate it.

 

Within reason, KDP doesn't care how large your margins are — only that they are wide enough to keep all text inside the safe trim zone of about 3/8 inch. They have very little opinion about esthetics  — that's your job.

Derek Cross
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February 3, 2024
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February 3, 2024

Yes, thanks you! I really studied that page and I know I have to read through it a few more times to completely digest it - but so far we are following everything!