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Hi all,
I have a document with multiple stories on a spread. i would like some of the footnotes to be numbered consecutively. I know that InDesign won't flow the numbers from one story to another, but is there any way to manually change the numbers? I would only have to do this one or two times.
Thanks!
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Do the controls in Footnote Options work?
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The controls work, they just didn't help in that case. The footnotes stayed the same. The only way I was able to achieve the consecutive numbering was by threading the text boxes - something that I had been trying to avoid, but, oh, well.
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Hi,
Imho, the true question could be: What is the footnote numbering?
Real footnotes into unthreaded text frames simple to update! …
… if, e.g., we change the first number from 5 to 8!
(^/) Just for fun!
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Hi Obi
Can you explain the trick?
cheers
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The problem is that Obi-wan wants to be a digital magician, but it's not helpful for the person who asked the question because he doesn't like to explain how he did it.
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Vinny,
Obi-wan is a very clever guy and definitely has pushed ID into doing something that ordinarily can't be done.
I tried, this morning, to replicate his solution so I could share it with you. (Something Obi-wan doesn't do much.)
I'm sorry if you're as frustrated as I am with this nonsense. And I'm VERY frustrated.
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Hahaha french arrogance... I know that
Of course I'd be glad you share your solution Sandee.
I am now twice frustrated because you didn't...
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I was unable to replicate his solution, so I COULDN'T show you how he did it.
And his answer below STILL doesn't show it.
I'm sorry that an ACP should be that way.
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Don't say I don't give Answers!
Sandee, you're on Adobe forums since ten years and, proportionally, I've given 10 times more good answers than you for only 3 years of presence! [and I don't count my good answers not indicated as correct!]
2nd point: My present answer was just a quick test that lets me think RaizelDesign's question could be fixed! … The op doesn't seem to be interested because no comment! …
3rd point: If you have an answer, show it to us! … by curiosity!
Last point: Thanks for your first comment! But I don't need it and don't play for this! I only want to learn Adobe users to be really more curious!
Bwaaaah! …
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I would love to see how you did this. It is a great mystery!!
I thought perhaps you did it with paragraph numbering. But you would have to remove the original footnote number, and I do not see any way to do that.
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Numbered lists.
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Vamitul,
Care to elaborate? This isn't a game of twenty questions.
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Sorry:
Apply a numbered list to the footnote paragraph, and a "hidden" (no fill, 0.1pt) character style to the footnote marker.
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Vamitul: Yes, I had the same thought, but… how do you apply a character style to the footnote marker? OH! A nested style will do it!
Yes, that makes sense. (I was looking through the Type > Document Footnote Options dialog box for a method of applying a character style to the footnote character to make it disappear… it is not there… but a nested style will do it easily.)
So you apply automatic numbering and a nested style… the auto numbers "replace" the normal footnotes.
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Interesting but...
how do yo change the footnote reference marker?
As far as I know, as soon as you modify it, related footnote is deleted.
Besides, the idea is to keep the all thing flowing, not manually change every fn reference marker (assuming it is possible).
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Didn't have the time to go into it. I trusted Vamitul.
Sorry I didn't get it to work.
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Indeed the list always restarts in each footnote. I was so convinced that would work that I did not actually tested .
I can get the effect Obi-wan created (and more) via scripting, but I'm honestly at lost on how it can be achieved without:
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Hi,
Just use Cross-references and you could do it basically …
But do it manually! … I'm not sure it's the answer everybody expects!
(^/)
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Do explain more, please. How do you control the numbering?
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Vlad,
Here, It's a funny game because the text frames are unthreaded!
That's why each first "true" footnote [Automatic footnote call and footnote] begins to "1"!
So, we need to "think different" and play in another way!
What I'm going to explain can be done easily by the op. Manually!
… But a script will do it in 1 click!
The deal is to have a continuous numbering of the footnotes even if the text frames aren't threaded!
[To do it, the script will need a chronological order of the frames! Not the op!]
That's the scenario I've imagined for a script!
About the Footnote call:
The op searches each footnote call and inserts after* it a small anchor text box [placed as "superscript" (para style, auto-resizing text frame) –– para style and object style to be defined by the user (or the script)]. (* I use a script to do it because I prefer it "after" but this could be played "before"!)
The insertion of this anchored text frame triggers a grep style that will automatically "make invisible" the footnote call!
Easy to plan with a simple grep F/R [search: .(?=~F) Replace by: $0~C]
With that code, the anchoring will be "before"!
About the Footnote:
A similar way: a grep style will be triggered by the insertion of the cross-reference [including into its format a "non-joiner"!] to our "false" footnote call to make invisible the real footnote numbering!
About the Cross-reference:
About the Footnote call numbering:
How does it work?
The op will have to change the numbers manually! … But a script does it simply counting the footnotes when it'll create the text frames and insert the numbering into them! Just inserting in the text frame the incrementation defined by the number of footnotes: Fn 1 (= First Fn = 0) => 1, Fn 2 (= second Fn = 1) => 2, …
When done, we'll have this [after generation, I've chosen to begin the numbering to "5", for test]:
… if, as I said in post@3 two weeks ago without interesting somebody, if you want to update the numbering, changing the first footnote number from "5" to "8", as:
… you'll do it simply with this code:
/*
Script written by Michel Allio [2017/01/12]
see: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2261885
*/
app.doScript("main()", ScriptLanguage.javascript, undefined, UndoModes.ENTIRE_SCRIPT, "Update Footnotes! …");
function main()
{
var myDoc = app.activeDocument,
myParaStyle = "Num",
myValue = +3;
app.findGrepPreferences = app.changeGrepPreferences = null;
app.findGrepPreferences.findWhat = "\\d+$";
app.findGrepPreferences.appliedParagraphStyle = myParaStyle;
myDoc.findGrep();
myFound = myDoc.findGrep();
var F = myFound.length;
for ( var f = 0 ; f < F ; f++) myFound
.contents = String(Number(myFound .contents) + myValue); myDoc.updateCrossReferences();
app.findGrepPreferences = app.changeGrepPreferences = null;
}
Edit the script with ESTK, just change "myValue" number [line 14 ; actually: "+3"] and launch the script!
For fun, you could play negative number!
The 2 first parts of the script [text frames creation + cross-references creation] has been written in another contexts. To be adapted if time … and less annoyed!
Script 1 (adaptation) written 15/01/2017: How can I make a new text frame for selected text?
Script 2 written 07/08/2016: Cross-reference paragraph number! …
(^/)
Just for fun! Dropbox - Test_ID-Files.zip
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Wow. That seems pretty complex. If we're going down the route of using scripts, I would probably choose one of Peter K's:
Footnotes in columns | Peter Kahrel
Convert footnotes to endnotes | Peter Kahrel
Hm…
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The theory behind this is quite intriguing. And, to one-up it:
At the end of the day I still feel it is a overly complex setup, so unless you have to update the numbers many times over, just changing them by hand would be faster.
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When I've imagined this process, I've not seen a real interest to have an auto-numbering! In this case:
• no real interest: as unthreaded blocks, the numbering will start anyway at 1 in each block;
• need to add something else [for you, a 0-wish space] in the block to trigger the auto-numbering;
• If I need to play with such a layout, I know I'll use personally a script!
When you read the code I posted, Its idea is simplistic! … So, personally, why more?
I've never said it was the better way to play this kind of situation! Using threaded text frames would be much so simple: nothing else to do than playing with "standard" footnotes!
(^/)
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Uh... Thanks? But the reason I haven't checked back on this question is that it was way faster (and easier) to thread the stories.