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April 19, 2024
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Metadata does not show correctly in caption

  • April 19, 2024
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The first line of captions displays metadata correctly but the second displays the name of Lightroom rather than the info that I entered in "Creator". Anyone have a similar problem?

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Community Expert
May 5, 2024

I disagree with @James Gifford—NitroPress  and agree with @rob day 

 

It can be difficult to reach the correct metadata - but no reason not to use Live Captions.

 

 

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
May 5, 2024

It can be difficult to reach the correct metadata - but no reason not to use Live Captions.

 

My objection is that it's complicated to use, fussy about the details, and quite limited in scope.  All compounded by it being more or less the only "caption feature," without any more general/useful/flexible feature or option. It's use Live Caption™ or do it all manually.

 

How often is metadata of much use as a caption? Except in a sort of technical-listing context? My objection is that it doesn't really generate "captions" as such as "credits" — and very limited ones. How often is even the file name useful as a "caption"?

 

And then you have to have the metadata in there in the first place. What the camera or even stock service puts in mostly isn't very useful. For useful "captions," someone has to add/enter/update the metadata... and then it's fixed, inaccessible to the layout designer.

 

When I work with images, and need captions, they need to mesh with the material, which means the captions have to be written as part of the creative workflow. And often edited once or twice. I'd wager that that's closer to what most designers need from captions, than being able to pull a canned text string from the image.

 

I can see (and have conceded) that the system might be ideal for any highly managed shop, like a magazine or catalog producer, where an art department maintains thousands of images and part of the release/archive process is to write and review extended meta-data, so that the layout department is freed from both error and drudgery of captioning a shot "Pitcher, blue, 32 ounce, floral design." or "Jennifer Connelly smiles at the camera."

 

So, IF you have all your images preloaded with the right metadata, AND your need is to include some-many-lots of them AND have one fairly short, canned, fixed slug as a "caption" — it's a great system.

 

But in the absence of any more general/flexible caption management feature, and given all the enormous front-loading and rigidity of the data... I find Live Caption to be a feature I've never, ever found a use for, across many projects where something better than manual caption management would have been nice.

 

Oh... did I mention it's another cross-ref feature subject to the "no break text" fault, so your live caption better be real short? That Jenny Connelly photo better be 3-4 inches across, at a minimum...

Community Expert
May 5, 2024

Hired a photographer for a year for events and part of the contract was they'd put people's names and positions in the metadata and I then generate the live caption.

 

Ive used the feature extensively and like most features added to InDesign they are not really ever improved.

rob day
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 4, 2024

Hi @Sandpounder , Are you looking for Creator or Author? Usually Creator is the application used to create the file.

Known Participant
May 6, 2024

Couldn't find Author in the metadata options, but I did find "Credit Line", which did work. Thanks for putting me on the right track.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
May 6, 2024

Not second-guessing, here, but a few minutes browsing the actual image metadata might have located the correct field.

 

Add in to all prior comments that metadata rarely conforms to any but basic organizational standards. 🙂

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
April 19, 2024

Probably, but the solution is not to use Live Captions, or the ID caption feature at all.

 

It would probably be worth sorting out if you routinely process and archive all your images with organized metadata, as magazines and catalogs (and hardly anyone else) do. But if you're just a daily designer and only work with a few (dozen) images per project... just do it all manually, with a grouped text frame and caption under Object and Paragraph Styles. The caption system brings nothing useful and is riddled with gotchas.

Known Participant
May 4, 2024

Hmm...Disappointing, but I'll take your word for it.

 

Thanks

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
May 4, 2024

It's not that hard to set up a clean workflow for captions, using Paragraph and Object Styles. And you're not bound to some pecular notion of what constitutes a caption and how it should be managed.