missing font help

[JonathanArias]

Hey guys,

i am searching for something that i am not sure exist..i need help, please. i am gettign the error below. but i can't find Futiger LT std 57 condensed oblique for sale, anybody know where to find it?

[JonathanArias]

for got to say i found   Frutiger std 58 condensed italic. which i think will work the same. thoughts?

[BobLevine]

57 is Condensed. There is no condensed oblique for that font as far as I know.

I'd look at that document without substituting it first. Something's not right.

[JonathanArias]

i did, take a look. they even made it a style. i got this from the client. i received the packaged files and its been like this for month. i been exporting a .pdf for proofs to get edits and ignoring the dialog for missing fonts just to get things back and forth. but now they want to go to print.  so i can skew it at a 45 angle. which i don't like to do. or buy the Frutiger std 58 condensed italic, right?

[BobLevine]

That looks like very familiar legalize for pharma. I did a whole bunch of that back in my DPS days.

[JonathanArias]

thats right. thats what i been doing for 7 years, Pharma.

[BobLevine]

Who do you work for?

Feel free to send it privately.

[JonathanArias]

I work for SPRINGERNATURE. they own Scientific American, Nature Journal, Mcmillan, Springer publishing.

My department is part of the Springer Healthcare brand..

[BobLevine]

First DPS project I ever worked on was for SA. Origins and Endings.

Did it toward the end of 2010.

[JonathanArias]

i was selling a lot of DPS from 2010 to 2012. than it went down dramatically. now nobody is asking for it. IN5 and full browser based html layouts is what all of the pharma wants.

who did you work with at SA?

[BobLevine]

That was a long time ago. I don’t remember who I was working with there but I wasn’t working alone on that project.

It was huge and we were using very early tools.

[JonathanArias]

thats cool Bob. you sure have the experience on DPS. i learned everything i know from your LYNDA.COM videos on top of sitting down with Jeff Witchel for training.

I was very excited about learning DPS and i just saw it loose momentum. but i am happy that IN5 allows me to use everything i learned. and i still go back to your MSO video course since i get lost at times.

[Barb Binder]

Yes. The term oblique indicates a roman font that has been skewed a certain number of degrees vs. italic which is designed to be slanted, and more calligraphic. Purists shy away from obliques and use italics.

~Barb

[jmlevy]

I am sorry Barb, but it is not  always true. Univers font (designed by Adrian Frutiger, as well as Frutiger font) exists as oblique:

[Jongware]

Adobe's original Helvetica Oblique and Courier Oblique were officially the slanted version of their upstanding outlines. (Not to mention the infernal Helvetica Narrow, which even never existed as a real font.)

But surely Barb is mentioning this in relation to manually slanting a font, rather than using one designed (and hopefully approved) by its designer, and in reaction to JonathanArias's "so i can skew it at a 45 angle", which indeed sounds quite excessive:

[JonathanArias]

sorry. 15 degree angle ...

[Derek Cross]

Depending on the font's design they can be called a Sloped Roman or Italic, and of course there are automatic sometimes called fake italic, which is the Roman font slanted.

[barbara_a]

The full Frutiger family is at https://www.linotype.com/1270238/frutiger-family.html

[JonathanArias]

thats right. but it means replacing "Frutiger LT std 57 condensed oblique" with "Frutiger std 58 condensed italic" which is want i am talking about.

[Jongware · Accepted solution]

How was the Oblique applied? If it's through a character style, the original designer may have overseen it, and it's an error. In that case, just replace it with the correct font.

For what it's worth: knowing other of Frutiger's fonts, his fonts usually had a number increased by 1 for the italics, which indeed makes it unlikely there was ever a "57 Italic" (or Oblique, or Slanted) when there also was a "57 Regular".