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Mystery hidden Image

New Here ,
Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Hello all ... I hope I can get an answer. Very scary - after going to press, the printed magazine that I work on had a seemingly random image printed on one of the pages, right over some text. Now I check & double check the PDF before sending it off to press and it didn't show up. When the file was sent to me for final editing etc. I can see that the image was included in the "package" which leads me to think the image was place in the document at some point. Please help ... thanks Gary

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Community Expert , Nov 26, 2023 Nov 26, 2023

Yes, the double circle marks center of the culprit - and as it's OUTSIDE of the "left" page - for InDesign, the whole image belongs to the "right" page...

 

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Community Expert , Nov 27, 2023 Nov 27, 2023

I'm not certain of this, but I suspect the reason it appeared on the final PDF but not before was you were not looking at imposed spreads. I suspect the imposed magazine uses at least an eight-up folded imposition, and that by not cropping the image to the bleed, and also not checking the crop image data to frame box in the export settings (it's not checked by default) you contributed to the problem, but ultimately the error is at the printer since the impostion should have cropped the data to t

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Was it on the parent page? On a hidden layer?

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Seems like a parent page artifact would simply show up on any applicable pages, no 'surprise' involved. But hidden layer... I'll put one blue chip on that bet.


┋┊ InDesign to Kindle (& EPUB): A Professional Guide, v3.0 ┊ (Amazon) ┊┋

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New Here ,
Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Hi James - I don't think layers were to blame, but I'll keep a watchful eye on the next magazine issue that I have to work on next weekend 🙂

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Screenshot 2023-11-23 at 12.48.30 PM.jpg

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  Nothing hidden about the image 😞  It didn't show up until the final PDF was created for Press & then it was too late 😞      As you can imagine, someone would have noticed it 🙂

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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It looks like it is on top of everything else ...

 

Can you share this INDD file - but from BEFORE - where it's not there / not visible?

 

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Thanks Robert ..... I've requested the origional file to be sent to me. I'll pass it along as soon as I get it.

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Thanks Robert ..... I've requested the origional file to be sent to me. I'll pass it along as soon as I get it.


By @Canada_Gary

 

You can send it on priv if you prefer - click my name.

 

I need only INDD file so please pack it - ZIP/RAR - upload to some online service and send me a link.

 

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Will do Robert ........... thanks again 🙂

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Nov 26, 2023 Nov 26, 2023

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Hi Robert ..... The workflow (I've been doing it this way for almost 20 years) for this bi-monthly magazine is as follows. I design a 20 page section of the magazine while another designer creates the balance of the pages (usually 76 additional pages). When he is finished he sends me a "packaged" folder. I then add my pages to his pages - making a complete magazine. At this time I put in the ads / check colour consistancy & add page folio etc. Now, more often than not, entire sections have to be re-located ..... something that may have contributed to the "appearing" image. The image that seemingly "appeared" at the last minute actually migrated from the previous right-hand page when a section was re-located. I believe this may have been caused by the image box being too wide & bleeding too far off the page (see blue box in screenshot) Your thoughts please Robert 🙂Screenshot 2023-11-26 at 11.39.05 AM.jpg

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Nov 26, 2023 Nov 26, 2023

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Yes, the double circle marks center of the culprit - and as it's OUTSIDE of the "left" page - for InDesign, the whole image belongs to the "right" page...

 

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Nov 27, 2023 Nov 27, 2023

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I'm not certain of this, but I suspect the reason it appeared on the final PDF but not before was you were not looking at imposed spreads. I suspect the imposed magazine uses at least an eight-up folded imposition, and that by not cropping the image to the bleed, and also not checking the crop image data to frame box in the export settings (it's not checked by default) you contributed to the problem, but ultimately the error is at the printer since the impostion should have cropped the data to the page edge. If you haven't done it already, I would have a discussion with the printer.

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Nov 27, 2023 Nov 27, 2023

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Thanks Peter ..... I will certainly bring this to the printer's attention 🙂

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Dec 01, 2023 Dec 01, 2023

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Hi Peter ..... would you be so kind as to explain where I would find the check box for "crop image data to frame box", thank you 🙂

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Dec 01, 2023 Dec 01, 2023

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Hi Robert ..... I double checked all my PDF settings & found that all of them have the "crop image data to frame box" checked off 🙂

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Dec 01, 2023 Dec 01, 2023

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But you didn't actually adjust the frame to cut off the part of the image outside the bleed area (the first part of my point abouve about cropping image data), so there was nothing outside the frame to be cropped sduring the export.

It's a good habit to develop to crop images to the bleed.

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Thank you Peter .... I have relayed all of these points to my design team 🙂

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Nov 23, 2023 Nov 23, 2023

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Thanks Mike .... I don't think layers were to blame, but I'll keep a watchful eye on the next magazine issue that I have to work on next weekend 🙂

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