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Newbie struggling with having page number 1 on Page 2

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May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

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Hi there... please can someone help me?  Page 1 is my front cover I need page 2 (the first page of text) to be numbered page 1.
I have a [None] Master page applied to the front cover (page 1, that I want to show NO number) and Parent A applied to pages 2 onwards (where I want the numbering to start). I have the numbers working ok, but they start from 2, (even though there is no number on page 1, where [None] is applied).

When I go Layout > Numbering and "start new section from page 1" I am shown a box that says "A Page in this section already exists in another section. Click Cancel and specify an unique section prefix (which is NOT what I want)..." etc.  
I have followed along with various youtube videos that just say to do the above and "great job! Your page 2 now starts at Page 1!" I'd be congratulating myself if this were indeed the case, but alas NOTHING I have tried has worked and my head is itchy from scratching it in wonder.

If someone could please be kind enough to shed some light on what this newbie is doing so epically wrong, I would greatly appreciate it! Many thanks!

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Community Expert , May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

You control page numbering by assigning sections. Each section can have its own numbering scheme and start at any defined number, from "Continue Automatic Numbering" to "Restart at 1" or"Start at 37."

 

If you create or assign no sections, the whole document is "Section 1" and numbers from the first page.

 

The very simple solution to make your first right-hand text page start at 1 is to assign that third physical page a new section start — select the page in the Pages panel, right-click, select

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Engaged ,
May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

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Nope. Left hand pages can have odd numbers. It is all about which page you start the section on and that you tell it what number to start with. Don't let it determine it automatically.

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May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

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Left hand pages can have odd numbers.

 

They could have odd numbers printed on them, but the absolute odd pages are always to the right of the spine in western book binding, so the convention is to number pages accordingly.

 

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May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

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That's what I said earlier

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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Nope. Left hand pages can have odd numbers. It is all about which page you start the section on and that you tell it what number to start with. Don't let it determine it automatically.


By @John D Herzog

 And tyhen you go to the printer... and your result will be that your pages are re-ordered! That it is possible in InDesign, yes, you can do lots of very stupid things in InDesign. The point is: you shouldn't!

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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I disagree. I think it is acceptable in situations. We all don't need numbering as per Adobe or traditional print binding methods.

 

It's good to stretch limitations and proceed with projects just cos Adobe doesn't like it doesn't Mena you shouldn't.

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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I think it is acceptable in situations.

 

No doubt that in the vast world of self publishing and vanity presses you could find an example of even page numbers printed to the right of the spine (the first page is zero!), but I’ve never worked for a publishing house art director who would let it happen. There are no books on my book shelves that don‘t follow the page 1 to the right of the spine convention, including books that were printed long before Adobe existed.

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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I agreed already that it's not normal - and not typical. 

But I've also said that I've personally worked on print publications at least a half dozen times in my 25 years doing this that required this.

 

So we all know it's not normal.


Doesn't mean it cannot be done.

To be honest, I'm surprised it's a requirment.

 

But that wasn't the OPs question.
The question was how to do it.

And it can be done - as I illustrated. 

So it's not about how many books we have or how many times we've done it.

It's about addressing the OPs needs. 

As I said I've seen at least 6 times a legitmate reason for this - and it was harder 25 years ago than it is today.

Quark was no fun. 

I'm not saying it's right.
I'm just saying it can be done if you want to. 

And I have.

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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But that wasn't the OPs question.
The question was how to do it.

 

Yes-but... the question seemed to stem as much from a misunderstanding about how to number pages, on a technical level, and not have "page one" start on Page 3. With the process explained of how to set a section and restart (page) numbering on (physical) page 3, all the issues would seem to be further moot.

 

That is, you only use duck tape to fix something if Ikea forgot to include the right bolts. Right bolts: no tape. But fifty posts later, here we are....


┋┊ InDesign to Kindle (& EPUB): A Professional Guide, v3.1 ┊ (Amazon) ┊┋

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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Completely concur. I work more with amateur/first time author-publishers than perhaps some here do, and every single one has some Pythonesque "new and completely different" idea that's a bad one.

 

I will concede there is always an example of where a rigid, traditional publishing rule can or even should be broken, but if it's anything like a book, and meant to be published using standard methods and read by normal humans... using oddball page numbering is going to create more confusion than bring any imagined improvement or sense of innovation or 'freshness.' There are things that mortal writers were meant not to mess with. 🙂

 

But these days I have an actual note stuck to my wall reading, "twój cyrk, twoje małpy"...


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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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Yeh. 

But I don't care about these things, if the client wants it they can have it.

It's not my place.

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May 02, 2024 May 02, 2024

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That's one viewpoint.

 

The other is that, just maybe, we have an obligation to filter out Stupid Client Tricks. 🙂


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May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

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Make sure you have facine pages enabled

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Select Page 1
And go to the Pages Panel sub menu and select Numbering and Section Options

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Change the Style to something other than 1,2,3 etc

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Add a few more pages

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Select Page ii (in my example) and then go to the Numbering and Section Options
Set it to Start numbering at Page 1
And style 1, 2, 3, 4 et

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Your pages panel now looks like this

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Right Click your new Page 1

And turn this off (no tick beside it (it's on here cos I haven't clicked it yet))

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Drag Page 1 to the Left side of the line

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So it looks like this

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Drag Page 2 up beside Page 1 so it looks like this

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Then drag Page 3 to the left of the line

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Select Page 2 and right click and choose the Document Page Shuffle option to be back (with tick beside it)

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You get a warning 
Click Yes

 

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When you add pages - unfortnately it starts doing this

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But you just need to drag the page back over the line to fix


As long as your odd numbers are no the left page

And even numbers the right page

But be warned - this is not normal 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May 01, 2024 May 01, 2024

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Thanks so much. There's a lot more for me to learn here. 🙏🏼

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