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Shlomit Heymann
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May 5, 2019
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Non Breaking Space is smaller than regular space when text is full justified

  • May 5, 2019
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Dear all,

I thought Non breaking space is getting the width of the paragraph values and should be the same width as a normal space but this is not the case. It's becoming a huge problem in French where there are non braking spaces before punctuation marks and it doesn't look good.

This only happens when the text is in full justify (also on full justified lines in the middle of a paragraph defined with left justification).

A screenshot is attached.

Thank you,

Shlomit

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Correct answer Laubender

Hi Shlomit,

another cause could be the used paragraph composer perhaps.

Do you see this with the World Ready Paragraph Composer as well with the Adobe Paragraph Composer?

Sample with:

Top frame is using the Adobe Paragraph Composer

Bottom frame is using the World Ready Paragraph Composer

Regards,
Uwe

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LaubenderCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
May 5, 2019

Hi Shlomit,

another cause could be the used paragraph composer perhaps.

Do you see this with the World Ready Paragraph Composer as well with the Adobe Paragraph Composer?

Sample with:

Top frame is using the Adobe Paragraph Composer

Bottom frame is using the World Ready Paragraph Composer

Regards,
Uwe

Jongware
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 6, 2019

Hi Uwe,

Has this been brought up before? I did a cursory search but the days that Google showed only web pages that you search for are definitely over ... ("Did you mean 'fix space in design'?")

Has it already been submitted to the Report-a-bug site?

Community Expert
May 6, 2019

Hi Jongware,

don't know if that was ever reported.

It definitely should. Cannot find something related at InDesign UserVoice.

Have to see if something is reported at Prerelease perhaps.

Regards,
Uwe

Barb Binder
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May 5, 2019

Hi Shlomit Heymann:

Two more thoughts:

  1. It is typical to set em dashes with either no spaces on either side, or thin spaces on both sides. I personally prefer thin spaces, but whatever you pick, consistency is the key.
  2. You can define a GREP style to locate a word followed by an em dash (with or without spaces) and automatically assign a No Break character style to it.

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
jmlevy
Community Expert
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May 5, 2019
It is typical to set em dashes with either no spaces on either side

Hi Barb,

not in French!

Frans v.d. Geest
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May 5, 2019

jmlevy  schreef

It is typical to set em dashes with either no spaces on either side

Hi Barb,

not in French!

Neither in Dutch! And we use en-dashes: “This is an – although simple – example how we use it.”

Jongware
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May 5, 2019

It may be because InDesign is sometimes too smart ...

According to the official documentation, all a non-breaking space does is to prohibit breaking on it, but for the rest it should act as a regular space. However, what if there is a glyph (which could be an image) provided for the non-breaking space in your current font? Then it must use this character, and its associated width!

See https://indesignsecrets.com/topic/fixed-width-vs-regular-nonbreak-spaces for the same problem.

Editing the font and removing the non-breaking space from it is quite a radical solution, but without doing this you can't use that code. Instead, I suggest using No Break over the words that you want to keep together.

rob day
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May 5, 2019

The width of a space and non breaking space would be defined in the font, not the application, but I’m not seeing the problem. What’s the font? Could you share your example?

jmlevy
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May 5, 2019

Yes Rob, but Schlomit seems to use Garamond (which version) and the nonbreaking space in Adobe Garamond Pro is the same as the regular one (I just checked before answering), and as most of the (well designed) fonts.

jmlevy
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 5, 2019

Hi Schlomit,

it's very strange: the nonbreaking space should effectively have the same width as the regular space except if you use a fixed with nonbreaking space. What version of Garamond do you use?