Outlining Bullet points

[GiDesign&Marketing]

this ancient adobe bug just cost me $5k

paying monthly for a software that has 20+ year old bugs, but yea glad i have AI becuase thats whats important

[Willi Adelberger]

This is not a bug. Never outline any text in InDesign. Deliver a PDF/X-4 to the printer. 

if you need to outline, do it in Acrobat Pro. 

[GiDesign&Marketing]

if its available why not fix it , if it shouldnt be done why allow it?

and why not by the way?

[BobLevine]

It will let you bold, italicize, underline and highlight text in millions of colors, too. There are no guardrails to protect you from yourself. Outlining text, beyond some small sections for artistic reasons should never be done.

[rob day]

if it shouldnt be done why allow it?

For cases where you want to manipulate the font’s characters for an artistic effect:

There’s a long list of other problems you would run into—this:

Becomes this:

There are very few fonts on the market that don’t allow embedding in a PDF, and if you are using one, outlining would likely be a violation of the EULA.

[Willi Adelberger]

This function is for graphic purpose, like filling a letter with an image.

There are mor problems, if you do it in InDesign:

1. What about page numbers? If you outline them on the master/parent you will loose the number which is replace with the master's nname
2. What about references? 
3. What about running headers? Do it on the master you loose it on the page
4. What about text frames, stroke and color? You loose it
5. What about paragraph frames and background? You loose it.
6. What about strike through, underline? YOu loose it.
7. What about footnotes? What about Endnotes? When you convert the first page, the next reference starts again with 1.
8. What about Paragraph Rules? Lost!

I know more reasons not to do it.

[GiDesign&Marketing]

ok so now taht im embedding my fonts and not outlining my printer is kicking the file back for fonts not being embedded
as far as i understand i am only to reduce the percentage to 0 on the advanced output menu. is that not correct?

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Exporting a RIP-ready PDF is, in 99 instances out of 100, a dead simple process. It's why it's become the universal workflow for commercial printing.

In all good humor and with the intent of guiding you to a solution, it sounds as if you, your printer or both of you are mired in very, very outdated processes. Perhaps you should review the basics of PDF export for print, without assuming you grasp the current basics, and have a technical discussion with your printer.

If they cannot give you detailed, specific instructions for a compatible export NOT using obsolete methods like font outlining, you might want to look for a new vendor. 

[GiDesign&Marketing]

by rid ready do you mean 
X-4 ?

[GiDesign&Marketing]

"rip ready"

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Yes, PDF/X-4.

Maybe this will convince you - just a random link:

https://www.premierpress.com/blog/print-ready-pdfx-1a-and-pdfx-4a-files/

[BobLevine]

X4 should be acceptable by any printer with a modern workflow.

[GiDesign&Marketing]

X4 its not embedding my fonts which are myriad Pro, arial, Bebas Neue Pro

[Peter Spier]

X4 its not embedding my fonts which are myriad Pro, arial, Bebas Neue Pro

By @GiDesign&Marketing

I think I see the problem here. Are you using the Bebas Neue Pro font activated through Adobe Fonts? Pretty sure that fonts activated through Adobe Fonts do NOT embed because it is assumed, for no good reason, that the output service will also have a subscription and can activate the font on their end.

[Peter Spier]

Excuse me. Senior moment. It's that Adobe Fonts are nort packaged, not that they are not embedded, so disregard what I just said above.

[rob day]

Excuse me. Senior moment.

Hi Peter, I understnd 🙂

[Peter Spier]

getting old sucks. Time for my nap.

[rob day]

my printer is kicking the file back for fonts not being embedded

You should check the PDF before you send it out. In AcrobatPro choose File>Properties>Fonts to get a list of embedded or subsetted fonts.

If you set Subset fonts... to 0 the entire font will be embedded. Set it to 100% and only the characters used in the PDF will be embedded. But note the warning All fonts with appropriate embedding bits will be embedded and make sure the font you are using allows embedding.

Find & Replace Font will tell you if embedding in restricted:

Acrobat’s Font list should match Indesign’s font info:

[GiDesign&Marketing]

Most informative answer yet
i guess community means something different these days

[BobLevine]

Have you asked the printer? I can't swear to it, but all of this sounds suspiciously like a printer opening a PDF in Illustrator.

[GiDesign&Marketing]

you mean the issue with the fonts not embedding?

its 4over.com
the upload preflight kicks it back. 
i fixed by converting bullets to text which in my 22 years of design never knew that was possible

thank you

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

They have joboptions file:

But "PDF 1.3"...

[GiDesign&Marketing]

thats interesting, theyve never once mentioned that lol. ive been with that company ever since they bought Partner Printing (which i loved) and the tech support and service has gotten increasingly difficult. im moving over to vista now but ill have to check it out thank you

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

I have no idea how long it is there - I've just opened the website you've mentioned and started looking for FAQ / specs page.

[rob day]

im moving over to vista now but ill have to check it out thank you

I use Vista for most of my short run work and have never outlined any text for them or any other printer—but I don’t have any restricted fonts in my library. All of the online printers I’ve used request flattened CMYK—it’s pretty much standard for automated printing.