Paragraph Borders InDesign CC 2018

[RaizelDesign]

Hey all!

I've got a paragraph style set to have a border on the left side and it's offset on top and bottom so that the line appears to be continuous for a certain section of paragraphs. Is there any way to have it not offset on the top when continuing onto a new page (i.e. new frame)? I see a "clip to frame" option for paragraph shading, but not paragraph border.

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks!

[Barb Binder]

Can you please share a screen shot (or two) so that we can see what it looks like now, and what your border settings are?

~Barb

[fenjas29325284]

Is it this what you want to achieve?

It's done with Offset "Bottom" only and "Bottom Edge": Standard.

If not, show a screenshot, where we can see what you want.

Fenja

[RaizelDesign]

Thanks, BarbBinder and fenjas29325284 I can't share a screenshot of the actual file right now - I don't have access to it right now. This is basically what I've got. There are different style paragraphs that all need to be part of one section (There are actually four, and one of them has paragraph shading applied and much more space before and after). It's a long, complicated book, part textbook, part workbook, with many styles of paragraphs all set into a single story. There's a new frame on each page.

Thanks for the help!

[RaizelDesign]

At the moment, we're just doing an override whenever a paragraph breaks onto the next page.

[Barb Binder]

Thanks. I was trying to keystroke this for you, and just wasn't sure.

I think this comes down to how you handle the spacing between paragraphs. I've been playing with the numbers and split the spacing above and below. I also changed the End cap to a projecting cap which gives a little more length to the lines. But mine is hanging down a bit now. Will that work?

EDIT: I blocked the end of the column with the dialog box and that para wasn't breaking. Now it is. But you can see the line is a bit low.

[Laubender]

Hi Barb,

you pinpointed the issue. Paragraph border is simply missing one feature RaizelDesign  already mentioned: "Clip to Frame".

What could be done? Cover the border with a rectangle filled with the "background" of the text frame. Or with [Paper] in case there is no background color.

Using a different paragraph style is possible as well, but not very flexible if there are text edits.

Regards,
Uwe

[Laubender]

FWIW: "Clip to Frame" would be welcome, but possibly would be a solution that would not fit as well.

A different control would be better:

"If paragraph breaks between columns or frames" restrict border to:

1. "baseline" of last line in text column

2. "Cap Height" of first line in next column

Plus maybe a value to offset this.

Regards,
Uwe

[Barb Binder]

Right, Uwe. The good old white box standby. You could add them on top (or bottom) after the edits are done, RaizelDesign.

And perhaps add Clip to Frame as a feature request here: Adobe InDesign Feedback

~Barb

[Barb Binder]

So are you doing this to indicate paragraphs that have been edited (Change bars)? And how many of these do you need?

Just playing around with the new paragraph border seems tough to control for your needs and maybe an override is your best bet.

Other ideas are anchored frames or put them on the master, and then override them when you edit the documents. None of these will update automatically though.

~Barb

[RaizelDesign]

Hey,

Yes, I couldn't get back to a computer until now. I do really appreciate the help.

As I said, it's a sort of text book, and the side-rule is used to indicated a reading that includes a title, source, and the actual text in two languages. At times it overflows onto the next page. The line is always aligned to the baseline of the last line and the cap-height of the first line, so your first solution wouldn't work in this case. Laubender​ Uwe's suggestions

A different control would be better:

"If paragraph breaks between columns or frames" restrict border to:

1. "baseline" of last line in text column

2. "Cap Height" of first line in next column

Plus maybe a value to offset this.

would actually be exactly what's needed. Especially since the frame sometimes extends beyond the lines of text.

How exactly would I go about putting in a request for this?

Thanks so much!

[jane-e]

RaizelDesign  wrote

How exactly would I go about putting in a request for this?

I think this was posted earlier, but here is again:

Adobe InDesign Feedback

Post the link so we can go back and vote for it!

[RaizelDesign · Accepted solution]

Thanks!

Here it is:

Paragraph Border Controls when Split across Columns or Frames – Adobe InDesign Feedback

[Barb Binder]

Voted!

[jane-e]

Voted!

(And I am Vote #5)

[Laubender]

40 votes in two weeks. That's not bad 🙂

( Of course I voted as well. )

Regards,
Uwe

[RaizelDesign]

Thank you

[Barb Binder]

And you may be gone for the day by now, RaizelDesign, leaving Uwe and I to talk amongst ourselves () but if the goal is change bars, you might add that as the feature request. FrameMaker (Adobe's other page layout program) has them—you can turn them on so they appear automatically when you edit a paragraph or on by paragraph tag.

~Barb

[Raphaël Freeman]

I have the same problem too with borders and the March update doesn’t help. Actually in the case of the OP, there is a better solution – which only works in the case of the OP – you can use paragraph shading! Make the shading a narrow box on the left of the text and then you can do it.

However, the problem below cannot be fixed. On the top of the verso I have used the paragraph shading trick, but on the bottom of the verson and the top of the recto there is still no good solution. Yes a white box would help and honestly, never thought of that, so thank you, but REALLY – let's still an anchored white box to cut off the boxes?

Does Adobe not think things through till the end?

[Laubender]

… Does Adobe not think things through till the end?

Hi Raphaël,

I made a recommendation and a feature request in that direction.
Not only a checkbox like [ ] Cut To Frame is needed. It would require some more control.

Maybe a "Cut to baseline" plus an edit field to add a value in minus and plus direction.

Regards,
Uwe

[Raphaël Freeman]

yes I saw and I added my vote too!