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Print requirement: Maintaining Exact Image Placement Across Languages

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Hi, I am working on my first book layout and read through the documentation from the printer. This requirement seems a bit odd to me:

Language Mutations
Complete CMYK data for each language version (the exact placement of images must be maintained across all language versions).

How is it even possible to have the exact placement? The German version has way more text than the English version. In addition, in some areas, the graphics are slightly larger or smaller so that they fit better into the layout. Is this normal, or am I misunderstanding something?

 

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Mike Witherell
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March 23, 2025

I was re-reading this and marveling that the published information from the commercial printer uses quite a bit of unclear language and aging expressions. Almost as if it hasn't been updated since the late 1990s. They choose to communicate with an abundance of "insider" terminology. And just to re-iterate what was already said quite well: "bitmap" means an old filetype on early Windows, and it also refers generically to *all* pixel-based image file formats, like PSD, TIFF, JPG, PNG, etc.

Mike Witherell
Robert at ID-Tasker
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March 23, 2025
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Hi, I am working on my first book layout and read through the documentation from the printer. This requirement seems a bit odd to me:

Language Mutations
Complete CMYK data for each language version (the exact placement of images must be maintained across all language versions).

How is it even possible to have the exact placement? The German version has way more text than the English version. In addition, in some areas, the graphics are slightly larger or smaller so that they fit better into the layout. Is this normal, or am I misunderstanding something?

 
By @Mateomono

 

You should really speak to the printer - show them your files and ask for guidance.

 

This part you're referring to - refers to two situations: 

1) multiple languages - where EVERYTHING, the whole book is printed in CMY - Cyan, Magenta, Yellow - then Black is overprinted,

2) two different printing machines are used - whole sections of the book are printed in Black only - then only some sections are printed in color - CMYK and/or extra colors. 

 

First method of printing requires NO SHIFT IN LOCATION OF ANYTHING - if there are images / graphics that require Black overprint - everything needs to be "pixel perfect", 

 

Second method - you COULD shift things a bit - but rather only within a single section - but in this case "section" doesn't mean InDesign's Section but range of pages.

 

The method of overprinting Black is used to save costs - but it's rather used only for big runs and/or multiple languages.

 

MateomonoAuthor
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March 23, 2025

@Robert at ID-Tasker Thank you for your input! Yes, I just contaced them. 

Peter Spier
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March 23, 2025

This requirement is most likely because they expect to change only the single plate that carries the text for each language.

If anyting else changes, no matter how slightly, they must make all new plates for that page and do a new make-ready cycle, and tht increases the cost dramatically.

MateomonoAuthor
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March 23, 2025

@Peter Spier So that means every single graphic and image needs to have the exact same size across both books?

 
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March 23, 2025

@Eugene Tyson @Peter Spier Also, I just had one tiny question regarding print-ready files. What exactly are these formats referenced here(Image 1)? Is it the same as image 2?

 

 


I think they're refering to compatiblity which is on the right

 

When you choose PDFX4a it will jump to Acrobat 7 (PDF 1.)

 

PDF X is a family of ISO standards designed to make sure that print files come out exactly as intended. They are the no-nonsense way of packaging a document for reliable printing.

 

PDF X-1a is the go-to for archiving print-ready files. It locks in everything you need by embedding fonts and images and sticks to standard colour spaces like CMYK and spot colours.

So it doesn't support things like Transparency - all your images would be flattened and you get screen artifacts where it might look broken up - but these don't print. 

 

PDF X-3 takes a more flexible approach to colour. It not only does what PDF X-1a does but also lets you use device-dependent colour spaces, such as RGB, provided that you embed the right colour profiles. This makes it handy when you want to keep your workflow colour managed and have more leeway with images.

 

It's this one that most people use 

PDF X-4 is the modern kid on the block. It builds on the strengths of PDF X-3 but adds support for newer design features like transparency and layers. This means you can enjoy more creative freedom while still keeping the file print-ready and predictable.

So this does allow for transparency 

 

Transparency flattening affects colours that are overlapping and merging to form new colours, anything this overprinting or have use of the Effects panel will be flattened. 

 


Transparency Flattening effect - basically breaks up the image into the overlapping colours where new colours are being made

 

 

When Flattening is LIVE which is preferred the images are not broken down into the individual shapes

 

You can completely move them around the exported pdf

 

Flattened transparency, especially if it ends up getting rasterised which can happen, can lead to pixelation if the output resolution is higher than the rasterisation resolution = could be too low resolution on output for what's required. 

 

Keeping it live means the printers RIP will keep it as high resolution as possible for output. 

 

MateomonoAuthor
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March 23, 2025

@muhammad_9494The image placement is the same, but in the German version, it might be on page 18, and in the English version, it might be on page 17, due to there being more copy in the German version. Also, in the English version, it might be slightly smaller to fit better into the layout. Does this matter?