Random lines behind font

[Kiah32892485a5hx]

Help! 

Trying to create these signs and I noticed these random lines showing up. It's only between certain letters and seems to be when I'm using the berlin sans font in bold demi and regular bold? help. see it in between fire and grill in the picture blwo. 

[Peter Spier]

Do you see it if you export a PDF?

[Kiah32892485a5hx]

Yes unfortunately! That’s how I noticed

Kiah Cacicedo
Merchandising & Marketing Manager, Business Implementation

[Peter Spier]

Sounds like it's isolated to the Berlin Sans, correct? Is it possible you have more than one version of the font installed? Did you get your copy from one of the dodgy free font sites?

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

A few questions:

Where did you obtain your fonts? format?

Is your PDF from InDesign? What is your system?

Does it also occur in other apps (e.g. Illustrator?)

also: can you upload a sample PDF where this is occuring?

[Kiah32892485a5hx]

The fonts are the ones that are preloaded with the indesign download, no third parties.  The PDf was made from indesign. I can't confirm whether it happens on other apps. I just edited and changed the font, so it's definitely an issue with that family of fonts. Berlin sans bold and berlin sans demi bold. 

Unfortuntely, I didn't save the OG PDF document.. but this is weird, no? 

[Peter Spier]

The fonts are the ones that are preloaded with the indesign download, no third parties. 

Hmmm.  InDesign hasn't included any fonts in the download in YEARS. What version of InDesign are you using? Also, Berlin Sans does not seem to be available through Adobe Fonts, so I suspect you are mistaken about where it came from.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

Do you mean the ones preloaded on your System?
e.g. Windows/Office supplies Berlin Sans in TrueType/OpenType TT

It definitely did not "come preloaded" with InDesign.

In any case, I've already looked at the Berlin Sans that comes with Windows and have tested it, and I have been able to reproduce the issue. Compared to my old Font Bureau Type 1 version, there's a flaw in the TrueType outlines for some letters, specifically the capital letter E near the bottom left: there's a bad vector point that is causing your issue on display, but it would likley not cause any issue at all with printing... it's purely a display issue. Still it's annoying, I know.

A little history: Font Bureau created this font originally as Postscript Type 1 waaaaay back when (1992), and then probably converted it to TrueType (Windows's version is dated 1997) where they introduced the flaws.

It is now sold as OpenType CFF (PS) versions wherever it's available to purchase.

Regardless, there's nothing you can do about it, though, unless you buy the OpenType CFF (PS) versions.

[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

This is the point that's causing the problem. Without getting too technical, the vector is doubling back on itself and essentially "shooting" out a horizontal vector that causes your one-pixel anomaly on display.

 

[Kiah32892485a5hx]

So it maybe won’t happen when printing? I will test and report back. Apologies I misspoke. The font came with my computer in whatever way, I didn’t download it. I'm running windows with the most current version of Indesign available downloaded ~2 months ago.

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[Brad @ Roaring Mouse]

No worries!

No, it wouldn't affect printing. If it did, it's been a problem for almost 30 years!.  Also, when you look at it in your PDF, if you zoomed in, you would see the effect doesn't get any bigger; it's literally a one-display-pixel width anomaly.