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SVG font create color issue in InDesign 2021 and 2022 but not in 2020

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January 17, 2022
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Hi

I am using InDesign 2020 version.

If I used the font "Wild Irish Rose" SVG font in InDesign 2020 and create Export PDF in my pitstop report there is no RGB error.

But In InDesign 2021 version I use the same font "Wild Irish Rose" SVG font and create Export PDF in my pitstop report it shows RGB color issue because of that font.

For both the version I am using the same export job option and same pitstop profile.

I attached both version InDesign file and PDF for your reference.

Please let us know that anything need to be fixed in InDesign version 2021.

I also tried in InDesign 2022, facing same RGB color issue for this font.

Thanks

Ganesh.R

SVG_font_test_2021.zip

SVG_font_test_2020.zip

SVG_font_test_2020.pdf

SVG_font_test_2021.pdf

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Laubender

Community Expert

Brad said: "(Also: unless I missing something, the font used, being an image based font, has no outlines to convert to anyway)"

Well, actually there are outlines…

Try to convert the text to outlines with Acrobat Pro's preflight like I did before.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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Brad @ Roaring Mouse

Community Expert

I did see that. There are no "outlines" in there. All that does is separate the image glyphs into separate objects.

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi Brad,

yes, you are right. It's just a bunch of pixels.

Sorry; did not want to confuse you.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

Brad @ Roaring Mouse

Community Expert

Since i had time on my hands, I went down this rabbit hole myself.

What I found was that the results were never consistant, in particular:

If I used the OP's export settings without changing any settings, I got the same result in all 3 : 2020/2021/2022

However, if I changed ONE setting to knock it out of being the "standard", the results were different (and randomly). e.g. if I switched the PDF version from 1.6 to say 1.5 and switched it back to 1.6, the results were diffferent.

Weird.

(Also: unless I missing something, the font used, being an image based font, has no outlines to convert to anyway)

rob day

Community Expert

Hi Brad, we’ve been down this rabbit hole before:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/color-otf-font-changing-color-on-printer-s-proofs/m-p/12311448/page/3#M440824

In the end SVG fonts should not be used in a separated printflow, when color needs to be managed

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Laubender

Community Expert

EDITED:

Meant InDesign 2020 and not InDesign 2021.

This is now corrected.

Hi Ganesh,

yes, I can also see a difference in the behavior of InDesign 2020 and 2022 handling this SVG font.

Did a little experiment:

InDesign 2020: Exported to PDF/X-4 with no color conversion.

Then I converted all text to outlines with Acrobat's Preflight single fix-up:

Category Print Production > Preflight > Acrobat Pro DC 2015 Profiles > Single Fix Icon > Document > Convert fonts to outlines

The result was color Black only for the outlined texts.

Link to the result PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6thfvb1rywlldsd/SVG%20font%20test_2020-EDITED-PDF-X-4-NoColorConversion-TextOutlined.pdf?dl=1

InDesign 2022: Same procedure.

The result was a mix of CMYK for the outlined texts.

Link to the result PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi0tlbkpcvoe87r/SVG%20font%20test_2022-EDITED-PDF-X-4-NoColorConversion-TextOutlined.pdf?dl=1

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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Ganesh_InAuthor

Inspiring

Hi Uwe

I just run the pitstop preflight for the both the version PDF that you placed in dropbox and attached report for you reference. So its confirm that there is some changes in InDesign version 2020 and 2022 in handling the SVG font.

In InDesign fixes also they mentioned this point but not fixed in 2022: Please refer the below link.

https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/kb/fixed-issues.html.

We can raise this issue InDesign bug for 2022 version?

Thanks

Ganesh.R

SVG_font_test_2022-EDITED-PDF-X-4-NoColorConversion-TextOutlined_log.pdf

SVG_font_test_2020-EDITED-PDF-X-4-NoColorConversion-TextOutlined_log.pdf

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi Ganesh,

do you mean that fixed item listed with InDesign 2022 (version 17.0😞

"SVG Fonts appear as improper output (CMYK) in the exported PDF from InDesign."

I'm not sure what exactly was fixed here.

There is no link to a bug report and this statement is a bit vague.

Now that I tested also with InDesign 2021 I can see that it shows the same behavior as InDesign 2022. So I'd say, that the mentioned fix listed under InDesign 2022 (version 17.0) means something else perhaps. Or the statement is misplaced and should already have been added to the list of bug fixes done in InDesign 2021.

Could be that the fix of "SVG Fonts appear as improper output (CMYK) in the exported PDF from InDesign." is to your personal disadvantage, but to the advantage of other cases with SVG color fonts.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

Brad @ Roaring Mouse

Community Expert

I rendered both your PDF files in Photoshop to CMYK to see what you were getting for output, and your 2020 file rendered the font only on the K layer, whereas the 2021 rendered a typical RGB>CMYK mix (as expected). Soooo..I just did test exports using a similar SVG font I have from my ID2020 and ID2021 and both PDFs I exported (using PDF/X-4>No Conversion) matched exactly, i.e. both come through as RGB. And then I did both PDF/X-4>Convert to Destination and both rendered exactly the same again, with the font only on the K layer.

So are you SURE your export settings matched? (re: "Output" settings)

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Ganesh_InAuthor

Inspiring

Hi ALL:

Thanks for your reponse.

For further anlaysis I attached SVG font and job export job throught we transfer in the below link. Which i used for all InDesign version. In that job option I have the output convert to destination (preserve numbers) only.

Please download export job option in the below link

https://we.tl/t-sEt4kHs5za

Font link

https://we.tl/t-fzunR55y0y

Thanks

Ganesh.R

rob day

Community Expert

Hi Ganesh, I think SVG fonts will be a problem in separated print output where color management matters, see this thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/color-otf-font-changing-color-on-printer-s-proofs/m-p/12311448/page/3#M440824

InDesign’s Separation Preview also shows the 4-color black you would expect from an RGB object:

rob day

Community Expert

Hi Ganesh, SVG object color is always defined as sRGB, so if you export to the default PDF/X-4 with No Color Conversion the font images get listed as sRGB. If you are looking for an all CMYK export try a PDF/X-4 export with Document CMYK as the Destination—but in any case the export or output is going the be a 4-color black when the source color is RGB.

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Ganesh_InAuthor

Inspiring

Hi Rob

Thanks for your information, but my issue is, its working fine InDesign 2020 and in 2021 and 2022 only it shows error in my pitstop report.

For all the InDesign version I am using the same export job option and same pitstop profile.

Thanks

Ganesh.R

rob day

Community Expert

Right, AcrobatPro’s built in Preflight also shows the .svg characters as ICC calibrated RGB images:

You did not include the font in your link, but if I place your PDF example in an InDesign doc, and export to PDF/X-4 with a CMYK Destination, the character images get converted to CMYK. looks like your export was to PDF/X-4 with no color conversion. Is your pitstop error because of the RGB objects, or the character’s image resolution?

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