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November 27, 2013
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tints vs. transparency; printing indesign file - so confused now

  • November 27, 2013
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Hello!

I'm still learning indesign so i'm definitely not a pro. I've been working on an assignment which consists of creating compositions in indesign. The indesign file basically has text, lines and colored areas.

I've just realized that I am only allowed to use a couple of colors and their tints. This whole time i've been using color and working with its transparency. Is that remotely the same thing? I am not sure how to get the exact same color i've produced when working with the transparency of a color as a tint. (I'm not suppose to be using transparency yet... XD) Please help.

Also, once the above is figured out, what is the correct way to export this file as a pdf? Finally, I also need to export all 12 compositions as a 72dpi jpeg to upload online-- how do i do that? The file in indesign is a cmyk file and i'm pretty sure it exports as a cmyk pdf which is okay since i'm printing the pdf. The jpeg part really throws me off though.

So far, this is what i'm 100% sure on:

Indesign:

File> Adobe PDF presets> High Quality Print> give the file a name and save

then

this is where i get confused - do I changed the standard options and compability options as well? what about the compression? i've basically printed so many variations of the project playing with the above (from what i've read) and have reached a point in which i'm no longer sure what the correct colors of my file are once exported as a pdf.

Please help me. Thank you in advance!!!

(forgot to mention i'm working with indesign CS5.5 and adobe acrobat pro x)

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karinaepfAuthor
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November 27, 2013

Hello again!

@ Peter, these are the colors I am using:

The assignment says colors + tints only. However, I showed my professor my compositions and she didn't say anything with regards to that (i'm not sure if she noticed...). I was told to leave them as they are.

I know feel extremely silly; instead of transparency I meant opasity. Sorry guys; today is just not my day. Is opasity similar to transparency? For some reason i was thinking transparency is opasity. In a couple of compositions I am using both a tint and opasity in a color. In others just opasity or tints of a color.

Thanks for the pdf printing advice. I think I will just leave it with its presets. My only concern though is that i've printed the exact same file on two different cmyk printers and the colors have come out differently. Also, the colors are a bit more richer/pale in some aspects of the pdf file as oppose to the indesign file, is that normal? Is it also okay for the colors to get darker when I proof colors the file in indesign?

Thanks for the jpeg export answer as well! I was doing something else completely- saving the pdf as jpeg images and then changing their settings under convertion>colorspace to rgb... plus other options, big confusion/mess :S

karinaepfAuthor
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November 27, 2013

@ Pete

Nevermind about the opasity question; Willie just answered that question for me.

@ Willie

Thanks for the explanation! I was worried I messed up by saying transparency as opposed to oppasity but i saw you refered to them as the same thing.

Dov Isaacs
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November 27, 2013

Also please note that in general, overprinting tints to achieve a poor man's transparency effect is most strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for reliable workflows. Not all PDF viewers (especially for mobile devices) support overprint display at all. And even with Adobe Reader and Acrobat, you need to be in certains modes or output preview to see the effects of overprint.

If you want or need transparency, use the appropriate transparency blend mode. Most all PDF viewers support at least the standard and multiply blend modes of transparency. Adobe Reader and Acrobat support all 16 blend modes.

          - Dov

- Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)
karinaepfAuthor
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November 27, 2013

@ Dov

Thanks for the info! Sorry, my terminology is not that good. Sorry if the following is a really silly thing to ask but could you tell me in simpler terms what you mean by overprinting tints to achieve a poor man's transparency effect is most strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for reliable workflows. Thank you in advance!!

How do you know when you are using the appropriate transparency blend mode?

Dov Isaacs
Legend
November 28, 2013

karinaepf wrote:

@ Dov

Thanks for the info! Sorry, my terminology is not that good. Sorry if the following is a really silly thing to ask but could you tell me in simpler terms what you mean by overprinting tints to achieve a poor man's transparency effect is most strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for reliable workflows. Thank you in advance!!

How do you know when you are using the appropriate transparency blend mode?

(1) Prior to transparency being an attribute of PDF and the Adobe Imaging model, the only easy way you could fake transparency was use of overprinted tints. Since overprinting is not always viewable or printable with various PDF viewers and modes, you are better off using the transparency attribute. That is well-defined and widely implemented (of course, fully implemented in all Adobe products).

(2) Simple transparency is most often accomplished by the normal blend mode, drop shadows are implemented using the multiply blend mode. Beyond that it gets more complicated than it would be fair to get into here.

          - Dov

- Dov Isaacs, former Adobe Principal Scientist (April 30, 1990 - May 30, 2021)
Willi Adelberger
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 27, 2013

Transparency and Tints are VERY diferent. Imagine, you have a white Background it looks very the same. But you can place an object with 50% Opacity on a different color, let's say black and do the same with a 50% tint. The 50% Opacity object (transparent object) will mix with that background color and will show up darker, the tint will not change at all.

Which preset you use for PDF export depends on the purpose you will it use for. For offset printing you should use a PDF X-standard, depending on the requirement of the printer. 72ppi would be to low for offset printing.

High Quality Print is only useful for small laser printer, I would not recommend to use it at all.

If you want to supply your PDF in the Internet you can choose an PDF interactive Export or Smallest File Size.

What color space you get upon PDF export depends on the settings in the Output Sections of the PDF Print Export dialog. This should be as the printer requires it. There is no common valid setting, depends on the paper and the process the printer is using.

I would recommend to change standard setting only if you know what they are meaning or when the printer tells you to do so.

karinaepfAuthor
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November 27, 2013

@ Willie

What exactly is offset printing? I've read that X-1 flattens transparency and X-4 keeps it (?). I was under the impression that a high quality print is the best option for printing a file (ex. poster, presentation board, etc.)

Thanks for the tips about the internet and pdfs!

Peter Spier
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 5, 2013

Do you really mean 40% opacity, or 40% tint? In the screen shot you are at 100% tint, so I'm curious. I suspect you really are using the transparency, which you don't need, and that's why the color is shifting with simulate overprint.


And a quick test seems to confirm this. The 40% tint and the 40% transparency bot look more like the purple version (and are identical here) with overprint preview turned on. Without overprint preview the tranparent version is blue.

ID doesn't really preview transparency well without overprint preview enabled.

Peter Spier
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 27, 2013

Tints and transparency can yeild the same result, or something completely different, depending on how you use them.

Tints are a halftone screen, or partial coverage of an area with your color, but if you put them in front of something else, they knock it out and there is no interaction unless you specify that one color should "overprint" the other and mix. When you use transparency you are also using only partial coverage, but when placed in front of something else, they interact and blend with what is behind them.

Tints are created inthe Swatches panel, transparency inthe Effects panel. As far as whether you should be using transparency, that depends on the assignment, and also how you use the colors. If there is nothing behind that need to interact, a tint is less complex to process and less likely to cause other problems.

What are the colors you are using. You said the file is CMYK, so are you using process colors (CMYK mixes, which is not truly a two color file) or Spot colors, whcih are solid inks,  more like paint (and intended only for output on a printing press where you would make a plate for each spot color used in the file).

The High Quality Print preset will preserve the colors you use unchanged, so the instructor can see them in the output preview. Don't change a thing in the preset unless the instructor tells you to do so.

JPEG export is a separate operation. File > Export... and choose JPEG, then set the parameters in the next dialog.