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tracking and kerning

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I'm writing a book set up using paragraph styles. But I want to be able to have flexibility in the layout by altering the tracking or kerning in various sentences as needed. When I try this I get a plus sign after the paragraph style. Is there a setting that can waive the rigid style parameters.

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    Correct answer James Gifford—NitroPress
    Thank you for your advice James Gifford. Are you saying a few Paragraph
    style + won't be a big issue? I doubt this book will ever be an ebook.

    If the hurdle of e-book conversion is off the table, at least for this edition, you can do nearly anything to help shape your results. Hundreds of styles are only an issue in the project management arena, so if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. But that elusive perfection is perhaps the highest peak of book design, and takes a mastery of all the tools down to sometimes swapping one font for another that has more compatible kerning data, and then fifty levels of tweaking from there. Worth learning and mastering... but only for print layout. It is a routine sad story when someone with a book like that decides a Kindle edition would be nice, and finds out what a titanic mess they have as a starting point.(Put simply, print hides all the bones and cardboard props, and e-books flip things around to put those components in the front row...)

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    rob day
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    June 15, 2024

    But I want to be able to have flexibility in the layout by altering the tracking or kerning in various sentences as needed.

     

    Hi @Rita32868529b3mp , If you have to do a lot of kerning and tracking to get a decent setting, the root of the problem might be with the Paragraph Styles’ Hyphenation and Justification settings (or the quality of the font). Even if you went to the trouble of setting Character Styles for applying tracking adjustments, the specific adjustments might no longer work, or cause new problems on a text edit and reflow. I would do my best to solve the problem via H&Js before fussing with tracking styles.

     

    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    June 15, 2024

    This. The job you (OP) are doing is the most fundamental one for perfected print layouts, and that last pass to get every break and every orphan into place is what makes the difference — that "90%/90%" thing. But use all the tools, starting with as much as you can get out of the automated features as possible.

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    June 17, 2024
    Thank you for your advice James Gifford. Are you saying a few Paragraph
    style + won't be a big issue? I doubt this book will ever be an ebook.
    BobLevine
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    June 14, 2024
    No.
    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    June 14, 2024

    InDesign is inherently, integrally and fairly rigidly driven by its styles, mostly Paragraph Styles and Character Styles. Although like Word you can sort of hack/slash/fingerpaint your way to a result, it's a bad idea in both apps and all but a misuse of InDesign.

     

    If you are tweaking styles on a case-by-case basis, there are only two ways to do it. One is to select the text and apply a bit of kerning or tracking, in which case you are overriding the style and the "modified" marker, the + sign, will appear whenver that modified text is active or selected. It won't hurt anything, precisely, and it will disappear into the result if you export to PDF for print, but it can be a problem for export to any e-doc format such as EPUB.

     

    The alternative is to create some limited number of Character Styles, each with some fixed element of "tweak," and apply those styles instead of manually/locally making changes. It does force you to create perhaps five or a dozen such styles to cover all your instances, but it's the formal, correct, manageable way to do things in ID. (You can also create child Paragraph Styles to apply specific tweaks to a paragraph, such as BODY -5 as a child/descendant of BODY. This can be more manageable if you're applying changes to whole paragraphs; it's very slightly bad form to apply Character Styles to whole paragraphs.)

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    June 15, 2024

    Thank you James Gifford. Yes, I have multiple paragraph styles for other aspects such as font size, color, and leading. I will create several for tracking. I do wish there was more flexibility though. The book as many images and I've been controlling the layout appearance by adding, removing or changing words.

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    June 15, 2024

    P.S. James Gifford, I also work with the dimensions of the images in conjunction with the text to control the appearance.

    jane-e
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    June 14, 2024

    @Rita32868529b3mp 

     

    Are you using InDesign or FrameMaker? We can move your post from Using the Community to the correct forum for you.

     

    The plus sign in InDesign indicates the you have a paragraph style with overrides. When you track, kern, or make other local changes that are not part of the style, you will get the plus sign. There is no way around that.

     

    Jane

     

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    June 14, 2024

    I'm using InDesign. are there any issues down the road to have the plus sign remain? Thanks for your reply.

    kglad
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    June 14, 2024

    in the future, to find the best place to post your message, use the list here, https://community.adobe.com/

    p.s. i don't think the adobe website, and forums in particular, are easy to navigate, so don't spend a lot of time searching that forum list. do your best and we'll move the post (like this one has already been moved) if it helps you get responses.



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    Peru Bob
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    June 13, 2024

    This is the Using the Community forum (which is the forum for issues using the forums).
    Please tell us what Adobe application you are using so that this can be moved to the proper forum for help.

    Scroll down here to see a list of the forums:
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