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Trying to save a book

  • July 9, 2024
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I have seven files that will become a single printed book. I've tried to save them AS a book in InDesign. My first attempt was going beautifully. To establish the styles, I began with the first interior section, then placed the others. I added the front matter, and tried to drag it in front of the first text section. The attached error message then appeared. Now the error occurs whenever I try to place the first section and the program stops responding. Why would this happen? There are no errors in the file. It is very long; over two hundred pages. Should I split it up? Is there another way to combine files? I've considered adding two hundred blank pages and copying and pasting in place but that is ridiculous. Presumably I could make separate PDFs and combine them into one, but that would also be extremely tedious. Why would this happen? How do I prevent it from happening? 

The strokes around the many images are .25. It's possible some are duplicated but why would that be a problem?

Chatting with Adobe's support was worse than useless. The slow responses suggested what I had already done; deleting and reinstalling the program and the computer. Evidently this problem is not solved in their potted responses.

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Correct answer James Gifford—NitroPress

If you hover your mouse pointer on them, as is pretty standard in modern apps interfaces, the pop-up message will tell you.

 

In this case, it's usually because the file has been modified outside the book, meaning update or sync is probably needed. As noted above, once you create a Book, it's best by far to only access the component files through the Book pane, so that updates are automatic and the Book file can keep everything in sync.

 

(FWIW, I can't find any Adobe help page that addresses this — either an explanation of the warning, or to avoid it by not opening component files outside the Book pane. But that is what popup UI messages are for.)

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Barb Binder
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July 10, 2024

Thank you for the screen shot, @Grundoon Groundhog

 

When I have chapters 2-infinity set up for Automatic Page Numbering as shown below for the last chapter:

 

–and–

 

The same book page numbering options that you do, it starts the next chapter on the next page (in the case of chapter 3, on page 10) and doesn't add extra pages in InDesign or in the PDF.

 

I normally follow printing conventions, so "in real life" I would enable auto page numbering for chapters 2-infinity, but I would change the book page numbering as follows:

 

 

This adds a blank page (page 10) to the end of chapter 2 in InDesign (and in the PDF) to allow chapter three to begin on a right page (page 11), because in print, chapters typically begin on a right page. 

 

Is your experience different?

 

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
Inspiring
July 10, 2024

Why are there yellow warning triangles next to these sections? The links appear to be OK.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 10, 2024

If you hover your mouse pointer on them, as is pretty standard in modern apps interfaces, the pop-up message will tell you.

 

In this case, it's usually because the file has been modified outside the book, meaning update or sync is probably needed. As noted above, once you create a Book, it's best by far to only access the component files through the Book pane, so that updates are automatic and the Book file can keep everything in sync.

 

(FWIW, I can't find any Adobe help page that addresses this — either an explanation of the warning, or to avoid it by not opening component files outside the Book pane. But that is what popup UI messages are for.)

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 10, 2024

That setting will continue pagination/numbering from chapter [file] to chapter. If Chapter One ends on page 47, an odd/right-hand page, Chapter Two will then begin on page 48. an even/left-hand page. If that's what you want — and this would be correct if you split up a book chapter into multiple consecutive files — all good. If you want the more standard format of each chapter beginning on an odd/right-hand page, you'd set the choice to that. In the above case, Chapter One would end on p47, have a blank p48 following (inserted by the Book/export process) and then Chapter Two would begin on p49.

 

If you are using sectional numbering (1-1, 1-20, 1-100 etc.) you almost certainly don't want your chapter/section to start on a left hand page. The continual mode should only be used to "stitch together" components of a single chapter/section.

Barb Binder
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July 10, 2024

Hi @Grundoon Groundhog:

 

It sounds like you already have the PDF taken care of, but if you have to re-export it because of edits that come in down the road, it might be nice to be able to figure this out.

 

Would you mind sharing your book page numbering options dialog box? (The same screen shot that @Scott Falkner included, I'd just like to see your settings.) And I'm assuming you have Facing Pages enabled?

 

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
Inspiring
July 10, 2024

Here it is.

Barb Binder
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July 10, 2024

Hi @Grundoon Groundhog:

 

In a book, InDesign can add pages between chapters that are set to double-sided.. For example, if one chapter ends on a right page and you set the next chapter to begin on a right page, InDesign will add a blank left page at the end of the first chapter. Is that what's happening?

 

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
Inspiring
July 10, 2024

No, it only happened in the PDF; they don't appear in the InDesign document, and the chapters begin left or right.. Three blanks were added. I took them out of the PDF.

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
July 10, 2024
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No, it only happened in the PDF; they don't appear in the InDesign document, and the chapters begin left or right.. Three blanks were added. I took them out of the PDF.


By @Grundoon Groundhog

 

InDesign is not adding pages in the INDD files - blank pages are only added when PDF is generated. 

 

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 10, 2024

Okay — the goalposts seem to be moving all over the field here, in this post. To clarify, is your problem —

  • An object error when you try to export the whole Book;
  • Errors or faults when you try to export the whole Book; or
  • That the explanations of how to use the Book panel and select all component chapters for export/print haven't been sufficient?

 

These situations are a good place to search for help and tutorial pages that will take you through a process in a fully step-by-step, explained manner. Here's a fairly good page on how the Book pane/menu/functions works; it may give you better comprehensive answers than this beanbag toss:

https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/using/creating-book-files.html

Inspiring
July 10, 2024

I didn't realize where the Save as PDF command was. I've done it now, but the PDF unaccountably adds three blank pages that are not in the original files. Thanks for your help.

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
July 10, 2024
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I didn't realize where the Save as PDF command was. I've done it now, but the PDF unaccountably adds three blank pages that are not in the original files. Thanks for your help.


By @Grundoon Groundhog

 

You mean Export - not Save? 

 

Where exactly do you have those extra pages? 

 

At the end of some chapters - where number of pages was odd - not even? 

 

Barb Binder
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July 10, 2024

Hi @Grundoon Groundhog:

 

Hope you are doing well. 😊

 

I work primarily with long documents and therefore with a lot of InDesign .indb files. They work great for me.

 

The key to exporting the entire list of InDesign files to a single PDF is to have nothing selected in the book window (click underneath the list) and then choose Export Book to PDF from the book panel menu. Robert has a screenshot showing this.

 

Can you give that a shot and get back to us with the results?

~Barb 

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 10, 2024

Barb, it's a little lost in the back-and-forth here, but the problem isn't the technique of printing a whole book, but that attempting to do so generates an odd object error (see first post). We've kind of gone around the mulberry bush on this one but that seems to remain the primary problem.

Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
July 9, 2024

@Grundoon Groundhog 

 

Are you able to locate this object?

 

If not - can you share your document - on priv of course.

 

Inspiring
July 10, 2024

I don't know what the object in question is. By separating the text and art sections I was able to save the book. But apparently it's not possible to export the entire book as a single PDF. Perhaps Adobe engineers could spend their time more wisely than deleting scroll bars and figure out how to do so.

Interestingly the same error message appeared when I tried to start the first page of the text on page 2 instead of page 1. 

I will send an email reply with the document.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 10, 2024

Have you tried saving each chapter file to IDML (it's a Save-As and an Export option), then opening that file and saving again as INDD, under a new name? That process often purges faults and corruption, and with files of this size, subjected to many sessions of editing, that kind of minor corruption and structural faults is common.

 

Do this to each of your files, being sure to save as a new file name, then pull them into a new Book structure, and see if the export issues are solved.

 

I have many questions here, such as "if you're saving-as under a new name, how are you re-integrating that file into the Book structure" as well as some technical questions about your many images and how you are managing and inserting them— but those can wait.

 

Very large projects need meticulous attention to what might be called file hygiene, as the size and number of elements also gets large and the chances for both mistakes and just plain old file glitches multiply. Since you're commited to a Book structure, you may want to split up some of those very large chapter files as well, so that each is more manageable and within reasonable size and element limits.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 9, 2024

Don't use the Book feature for relatively simple books. It's a worthwhile structure when you have many chapters. or large ones, or ones that need to be able to be edited and developed separately. It's just excess hassle and scaffolding when a book is of more or less normal length and size, and largely by one author.

 

That you have front matter in a single chapter tells me you're splitting it up too much.

 

Combine all the files in one INDD file and use structural elements like page breaks and sections to manage the book. That will remove an entire layer of unneeded cmplexity and management from the project.

Inspiring
July 9, 2024

it was not practical to make one long document; there are several hundred pages.

Other than using the Book feature, how is it possible to combine the files into one document?

Willi Adelberger
Community Expert
Community Expert
July 9, 2024
  1. Save each chapter as its own INDD file.
  2. Create a new INDB Book file File > New  > InDesign Book
  3. Add all INDD files to the book into the book panel.

 

Take care, when you use images, place them as linked file, do not embed them as this causes often damaged files.

Inspiring
July 9, 2024

That is what I did.

Scott Falkner
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July 9, 2024

This is what the Book feature is for. It lets you connect multiple InDeisgn documents into a series of chapters, wheich can then be exported or printed as one file. Make a new Book file from the File menu then add the documents you have in order. I suggest turing off Automatically Update Page & Section Numbers (in the Book panel flyout menu select Book Page Numbering Options….

 

Inspiring
July 9, 2024

How can a book be exported as one file? It seems to be exportable as sections only.

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
July 9, 2024

All book operations are in the context menu ("hamburger" or three-line menu) at upper right on the pane.

 

For the most part, these operations will act on selected chapters only, and when it comes to Sync and update, you have to select your source/master file and designated/update files very carefully. For export or print, select all chapters. (All chapters you want to export/print, that is.)