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garyr93739538
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March 18, 2023
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Unable to use third party licensed fonts in InDesign

  • March 18, 2023
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As an experienced graphic designer, and a long term user of inDesign, I am appalled at the exclusion of certain fonts. Adobe used to represent creative design, and now limits it to the fonts it thinks are more relevant. WHo made such a stupid decision? For example, Berthold fonts are among the most extensively used fonts because they invented typesetting.

If I can find an alternative design platform, I will move tomorrow.

At least allow creatives to build their own font library and don't dictate what you think are reasonable.

Gary Rowland MA RCA

 

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Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
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March 19, 2023

Considering that every font foundry my shop has checked and tested has changed to the subscription / usage fee model, it's difficult to justify using these foundries for our client jobs. One foundry quoted us $40,000 US PER YEAR to use 4 weights in a government PDF that would be printed and posted on the agency's website.

 

I can't count high enough to calculate what it would cost to use their fonts in corporate branding. Gah!

 

Adobe is the good guy when it comes to fonts: free downloads and no recurring usage fees. Install them on your computer, embed them into PDFs and EPUBs, or use them on websites and in other digital media. No extra fees — at least at this time!

 

The only other font option is open-source fonts. Jointly developed by Google, Adobe and I can't recall who else, they are available for free from https://fonts.google.com/  They have a SIL license, which is a very liberal usage license that lets us designers do what we've always done with fonts, other than reselling them.

 

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Legend
March 19, 2023

I didn't know there were ANY foundries left working on the "per inhale and exhale" model.

 

garyr93739538
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March 19, 2023

$600 for AG condensed!?

BobLevine
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March 19, 2023

Responding by email still sends your response to the web where all of your personal information is on display. Please turn off your auto signature if you're going to reply that way.

 

I'll edit them this time.

garyr93739538
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March 19, 2023

Thanks for the help.

garyr93739538
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March 19, 2023

But I am only interested in creative design not high level decisions made to compromise the quality of service I expect from Adobe.

BobLevine
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March 19, 2023

Again, no idea what you're talking about. Adobe doesn't control the cost of fonts from other foundries. Take it up with them.

As for Type 1 font support, if you can't get creative with the thousands of Opentype fonts included with your subscription, then I don't know what to tell you. 

garyr93739538
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March 19, 2023
I have designed a corporate design scheme for a major retail project in UK using AG condensed and now I can’t use it with inDesign. The budget does not allow $600 for the font.
BobLevine
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March 19, 2023

Add me to the list. I have no idea what you're talking about unless it's the end of Type 1 support. If so, that decision makes perfect sense as any support for them will be ending everywhere and it was announced years ago.

Legend
March 19, 2023

I'm rather confused too.

Adobe now offers 10 times as many fonts as it used to when Font Folio was $5000-$10000. Some foundries didn't join the subscription service though.

If you move to another platform you'll have to license those fonts instead of getting them bundled with an Adobe subscription. Nothing to stop you paying for Berthold fonts either way.

Barb Binder
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 19, 2023

Hi Gary:

 

At least allow creatives to build their own font library and don't dictate what you think are reasonable.

To be clear, you can license any fonts you like and they will work with InDesign.

 

It's unclear why Berthold didn't choose to partner with Adobe to include some of their fonts with our Adobe Creative Cloud subscriptions, but all of their fonts are for sale here: https://www.bertholdtypes.com. There are other page layout applications that you can switch to, but to the best of my knowledge, none are going to include Berthold fonts for free. You will need to purchase them, one way or another. 

 

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
Peter Spier
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 18, 2023

I'm confused.

Adobe doesn't dictate what fonts you may use, though it does provide access to a large number of fonts as part of the Creative Cloud subscription. I suspect the lack of Berthold fonts in this selection is due to an unwillingness on the part of the foundry to have them distributed this way, but there is nothing preventing you from purchasing a license directly from Berthold or another vendor with whom they do have distribution agreements.