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Which font does Indesign use when it doesn't find a font?

Community Beginner ,
Mar 30, 2018 Mar 30, 2018

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I have a file which uses various types of fonts, which my Computer doesn't have, for instance Helvetica Neue.
However I like the Font with which Indesign is automatically substituting it better than the original. My question is: which font is it? I would like to use this "Standard" substitution font in other documents and I also want to make it bold.

How do I find out with which "standard font" Indesign is substituting fonts that it doesn't find?

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Community Beginner , Mar 30, 2018 Mar 30, 2018

I have found the answer at least for my system. It is Myriad Pro.

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I have found the answer at least for my system. It is Myriad Pro.

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Mar 30, 2018 Mar 30, 2018

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If you want to change the default, select a new font and size without any documents open, then close and reopen InDesign.

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Mar 31, 2018 Mar 31, 2018

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Thank you for the information, but this was not the answer to my question.

In fact the standard font with which indesign substitutes missing fonts is not the same thing as the standard font it uses when you start typing in a new document wirhout selecting a font.

on my system the substitute standard font is Myriad Pro, whereas the preselected font for empty documents is Minion Pro.

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Participant ,
Apr 06, 2018 Apr 06, 2018

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That only works for the default text in a new document.

It does not work for the default "Replace With:" font that the poster is referring to in the "Find Font" window.

The poster's question is NOT answered.

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Community Expert ,
Mar 31, 2018 Mar 31, 2018

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manueldesouza  wrote

I have found the answer at least for my system. It is Myriad Pro.

Don't think so, Manuel.

Depending on the substituted font—serif or non-serif—it would be:

Adobe Sans MM or:

AdobeSanMM

Regards,
Uwe

EDIT: Hm…
Maybe I'm wrong. Just checked my installation of CC 2018.1 and both fonts listed above have 0 Bytes in the package.

( I'm on Mac OSX 10.11.6 )

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Mar 31, 2018 Mar 31, 2018

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Minion Pro is the default font family when you first install InDesign.

Manueldesouza marks his own homework!

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Mar 31, 2018 Mar 31, 2018

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Hi Derek,

nothing against this… I'm not sure at all since both of the mentioned fonts have 0 Byte in my installation.

Here is the whole list I found:

Adobe InDesign CC 2018 > Required > Fonts

Adobe Sans MM

AdobeArabic-Bold.otf

AdobeArabic-BoldItalic.otf

AdobeArabic-Italic.otf

AdobeArabic-Regular.otf

AdobeDevanagari-Regular.otf

AdobeHebrew-Bold.otf

AdobeHebrew-BoldItalic.otf

AdobeHebrew-Italic.otf

AdobeHebrew-Regular.otf

AdobeMingStd-Light.otf

AdobeMyungjoStd-Medium.otf

AdobeSanMM

AdobeSongStd-Light.otf

KentenGeneric.otf

KozGoPr6N-Bold.otf

KozGoPr6N-Regular.otf

KozMinPr6N-Regular.otf

LetterGothicStd-Bold.otf

LetterGothicStd-BoldSlanted.otf

LetterGothicStd-Slanted.otf

LetterGothicStd.otf

MinionPro-Regular.otf

MyriadPro-Bold.otf

MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf

MyriadPro-It.otf

MyriadPro-Regular.otf

Regards,
Uwe

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Community Beginner ,
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I mark my own homework because meanwhile I found a solution by myself at least on my system which was correct. In fact there is no easy way to find out which substitute Font Indesign uses, at least I haven't found any on the internet or in this forum.
I could have just left this question unanswered, but instead I wanted to inform others who might have the same question as me, which wasn't yet answered on this forum. I don‘t know what is wrong about it?

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Adobe Sans MM is not available at least in my indesign. I still believe that Myriad Pro is the answer. I have found it out by copying and pasting text from the PDF I created from the document with missing fonts into a Word document and then I checked which font Word would tell me it is. I accidently got this info not by directly clicking on the text but by continuing to write in this font. By that Word shows which font it is actually using. Went back to Indesign, changed some text from [Helvetica Neue] to Myriad Pro and it looked identical. 

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Apr 06, 2018 Apr 06, 2018

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Uwe,

Regarding Adobe Sans MM and Adobe Serif MM there was this discussion from a few years ago.

I want to use adobe sans mm in editing a document

2. Re: I want to use adobe sans mm in editing a document

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Adobe Sans MM and Adobe Serif MM are fallback fonts that Acrobat uses whenever a font is not embedded in a pdf.

These fonts are Multiple Master fonts that only exist within Acrobat and are not available at the system level.

According to Dov Isaacs at Adobe, you must have a font actually installed in your system to be able to use it to edit a PDF.

Think of these as virtual fonts that don't actually exist on your computer, so therefore they can't be used to edit a PDF.

You can see them and you can print them, but you cannot access them.

The only exist within Acrobat and only come into play as a default font that Acrobat utilizes whenever the actual font that was used was not embedded.

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4. Re: I want to use adobe sans mm in editing a document

Dov IsaacsAdobe Employee

To augment Bo's correct response ...

(1)   A document could absolutely not have originally been created using Adobe Sans or Adobe Serif. They are not installed or otherwise available for normal application use. As Bo indicates, they are special substitution fonts used by Acrobat and some other Adobe applications. It you open a PDF file and look at the Fonts panel of Document Properties (Ctrl-D), for a particular font entry, the only place you would see Adobe Sans or Adobe Serif would be as the font listed asActual Font. This is the case in which the creator of the PDF file didn't embed the font and Acrobat has to try to find the font installed on the user's system or use a substitution font. For fonts such as Helvetica, Times, and Courier, Acrobat has the “smarts” to use system fonts Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New respectively since they generally have identical set widths to the original fonts. Missing ITC Zapf Dingbats are replaces with Adobe Pi, and for anything else using a Western Latin character set, Adobe Sans or Adobe Serif is used depending on whether the original font was a san serif or serif style. These two Multiple Master technology fonts have the capability of matching the set widths of any other Western Latin font.

(2)  There are some very limited situations in which Adobe Sans and/or Adobe Serif can end up showing as the font of the text and possibly even embedded in a PDF file. That is the situation in which a PDF with non-embedded fonts and for which the fonts are not installed on the user's system is printed from Acrobat to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance, a process known as “refrying a PDF file” which is strongly discouraged by Adobe for some fairly obvious reasons. Since the original font cannot be found, Acrobat outputs PostScript using Adobe Sans and/or Adobe Serif in the PostScript stream and feeds that to the Distiller which them embeds those fonts in the refried PDF file.

(3)  If you are trying to get the look of Adobe Sans, whether or not you are trying to edit existing text in a PDF file or add text or even create text in a new document, use Myriad Pro. Adobe Sans was based on an early Multiple Master Type 1 version of Myriad. Myriad Pro is the closest font in terms of design and metrics to Adobe Sans. In terms of Adobe Serif, use Minion Pro. Adobe Serif was likewise based on an early Multiple Master version of Minion. Minion Pro is the closest font in terms of design and metrics to Adobe Serif.

          - Dov

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