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November 19, 2018
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Text wrap affecting bullets

  • November 19, 2018
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Hi, since updating to InDesign 2019 the way bullets work around text wrap seems to have changed. Before I could set a left indent and a first line indent and it would not be affected by text wraps. Now it appears to push everything over by the left indent, ignore the first line indent and add a large tab space after the bullet. Is anyone else having this issue?

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Correct answer Randy Hagan

Tragically, Text wrap has always affected left side/first line indents within InDesign. More specifically, the text wraps affects the indents because your set indents don't change ...

Take a paragraph with a quarter-inch (.25 in) left-side indent and a negative quarter-inch (-.25 in) hanging indent. Those measurements are taken from the left side of the text frame. Now place a rectangular graphic on the left edge of the text frame and give it a half-inch (.5 in) text wrap.

This pushes any and all text a half-inch to the right of the graphic, which results in the bullet and second line of the paragraph aligned, and a default half-inch tab pushing the first letter of the first line further to the right. Your paragraph settings are what you set, but because the text wrap pushes your type past the margins you set, typesetting will be aligned by InDesign's default half-inch tabs from where your text wrap ends. That means everything lines up starting a half-inch in from the left edge of the text frame (the text wrap boundary), then left-align tabs set every half inch to the right side of the text frame.

The work-around is to:

  1. Zoom out to where you can see all the way across the text frame. Highlight the offending lines/paragraphs messed up by the text wrap.
  2. Use the keyboard shortcut Cmd/Ctrl+Shift+T (depending on whether you're using a Mac- or Windows-based version of InDesign) to open the Tab Ruler. Since you zoomed out to see the entire width of the text frame, by default it will line up perfectly with the text frame.
  3. Place your cursor on the bottom right-angled triangle at left. Hold the mouse button down and move it to the right until it lines up a quarter-inch past the edge of the text wrap. You'll notice that a vertical line moves with your cursor to show where the tab is aligned as you move. By grabbing the bottom right-angled triangle, it'll automatically move the top one, which is for the first-line indent, along for the ride.
  4. When you get it in the right place, release the mouse button and admire your handiwork.

This work-around should get your text alignment where you want it to be.

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Randy Hagan
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Randy HaganCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
November 19, 2018

Tragically, Text wrap has always affected left side/first line indents within InDesign. More specifically, the text wraps affects the indents because your set indents don't change ...

Take a paragraph with a quarter-inch (.25 in) left-side indent and a negative quarter-inch (-.25 in) hanging indent. Those measurements are taken from the left side of the text frame. Now place a rectangular graphic on the left edge of the text frame and give it a half-inch (.5 in) text wrap.

This pushes any and all text a half-inch to the right of the graphic, which results in the bullet and second line of the paragraph aligned, and a default half-inch tab pushing the first letter of the first line further to the right. Your paragraph settings are what you set, but because the text wrap pushes your type past the margins you set, typesetting will be aligned by InDesign's default half-inch tabs from where your text wrap ends. That means everything lines up starting a half-inch in from the left edge of the text frame (the text wrap boundary), then left-align tabs set every half inch to the right side of the text frame.

The work-around is to:

  1. Zoom out to where you can see all the way across the text frame. Highlight the offending lines/paragraphs messed up by the text wrap.
  2. Use the keyboard shortcut Cmd/Ctrl+Shift+T (depending on whether you're using a Mac- or Windows-based version of InDesign) to open the Tab Ruler. Since you zoomed out to see the entire width of the text frame, by default it will line up perfectly with the text frame.
  3. Place your cursor on the bottom right-angled triangle at left. Hold the mouse button down and move it to the right until it lines up a quarter-inch past the edge of the text wrap. You'll notice that a vertical line moves with your cursor to show where the tab is aligned as you move. By grabbing the bottom right-angled triangle, it'll automatically move the top one, which is for the first-line indent, along for the ride.
  4. When you get it in the right place, release the mouse button and admire your handiwork.

This work-around should get your text alignment where you want it to be.

Participating Frequently
November 19, 2018

Thanks Randy, that's the workaround I'm using now.

Maybe it was all just a pleasant dream that text wraps and lists played well together…

Randy Hagan
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 19, 2018

Ain't no thang. I wish I had a better answer for you, but I'm afraid in this situation it's as good as it gets.

Willi Adelberger
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Community Expert
November 19, 2018

It has always been the same.

Did you try to convert the bullets into text for such cases?

Participating Frequently
November 19, 2018

Hi Willi, it happens whether I use the bulleted list button or 'opt8 + tab' to create a bullet point.

I'm fairly sure that previously on a regular shape text wrap i.e. square or rectangle the wrap did not affect lists this way.

Bill Silbert
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 19, 2018

I agree with Willi. As far back as I've been using InDesign (2002) this is what I would expect the bullets to do when around a frame or object with text wrap applied. However, if you select the text frame that has the bullets and go into the Modify dialog box (Command (Mac)/Control (PC)-B) and choose the "Ignore Text Wrap" option then text wrap will no longer affect your bullets.