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October 25, 2020

P: Photos are marked for republish even though there is no change.

  • October 25, 2020
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I noticed after updating my new v10 converted catalog that LrC was acting slow in the Library module, so I disengaged the usual culprit for this, the "Automatically write changes into XMP" setting. Then to my dismay, I noticed that it proceeded to mark the majority of the photos in the current grid view as needing a metadata update, even though the catalog metadata was fully saved to XMP prior to the upgrade, as far as I was aware.

 

Then I paged down, and the pattern repeated: Lightroom scanned all the now-visible photos and found that almost all of them also needed to be updated on disk.

 

And I did it again. And again.

 

Eventually I wrote a script to send "Page Down" events to the program periodically to ensure that Lightroom looked at every photo in the catalog, then let it run overnight with the library filter set to "Metadata Status = Up to date", so that it would give me the list of photos that need no metadata update. The next morning, I scrolled the grid back up to the top and let it go again, to catch any photos it missed on the first pass.

 

In the end, it marked over four-fifths of my catalog as out of date. This beggars belief, since I normally keep "Automatically write changes into XMP" engaged.

 

Then I did an experiment: I ran exiftool on one of the photos marked as still needing an update, saving the result to a text file, told Lightroom to save the metadata (⌘-S) and ran exiftool on the result, saving the output to a different text file, and diffed the two outputs, and found only timestamp and program version differences!

 

Observe:

 

5c5< File Modification Date/Time     : 2020:10:23 18:31:53-06:00---> File Modification Date/Time     : 2020:10:25 10:46:00-06:007c7< File Inode Change Date/Time     : 2020:10:23 18:31:53-06:00---> File Inode Change Date/Time     : 2020:10:25 10:46:00-06:0026c26< Instance ID                     : xmp.iid:9acec219-b6a4-4918-a592-9fc6a0ab3486---> Instance ID                     : xmp.iid:b5e76784-9638-44a1-a8b6-4e17799d003f28c28< Metadata Date                   : 2020:10:23 18:31:53-06:00---> Metadata Date                   : 2020:10:25 10:46-06:0040,41c40,41< History Instance ID             : xmp.iid:eac2ee0b-0b2d-4143-8da1-cafb424d66cc, xmp.iid:9acec219-b6a4-4918-a592-9fc6a0ab3486< History When                    : 2014:04:27 20:29:30-06:00, 2020:10:23 18:31:53-06:00---> History Instance ID             : xmp.iid:eac2ee0b-0b2d-4143-8da1-cafb424d66cc, xmp.iid:b5e76784-9638-44a1-a8b6-4e17799d003f> History When                    : 2014:04:27 20:29:30-06:00, 2020:10:25 10:46-06:00

 

For that particular file, the "Metadata Date" inside Lightroom is in July of 2019!

 

You may then wonder why the file modification time in the diff isn't in 2019, but instead two days ago. I dug into a recent pre-upgrade backup of my photos, and indeed, the prior file's mtime was in 2019. So, not only did LrC v10 decide it needed to do a bogus update to the file's metadata, it touched the file prior to actually being told it was okay to do so!

 

This upgrade has entirely invalidated all of my photo backups. Everything has to be backed up again, all because LrC is being stupid about touching files unnecessarily.

 

Surely the only defensible case for updating the application version number in the file's XMP metadata is that I've changed the photo, so now the program is properly reporting the last application to update the metadata?

 

I see other posts in the forum here on related topics, such as complaints that publish services are forcing a re-publish of unchanged photos. I'm posting this because I think I've diagnosed this to a deeper level than most users.

112 replies

Participant
June 14, 2022

Hello,

 

I use Lightroom classic 11.3.1. I have s smart collection that shows me files with changed metadata. I select the files for which I want to save the metadato to disk, click on the icon "Metadata file needs to be updated" and save. I don't get any errors, metadata is saved. And the next second, the files reappear in the collection, again with the icon "Metadata file needs to be updated" . I did not do anything. Not even looked at the photo, moved from the Library, nothing. I was just watching the files desappear from the "metadata changed" smart collection and then reapear after a second. If I save the metadata for a few hundred photos, some of them wil reappear right back. And always the same files. I tried adding keywords and saving again, but it didn't work. The moment I save them, metadata is changed again. So what metadata is being changed?

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 14, 2022

>So what metadata is being changed?

 

Nothing has changed. There are similar reports to yours on the forum going back mnay years. It's a bug that Adobe don't seem able to find a permanent fix for.

 

 

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
April 17, 2022

Was in discussions - moved to bugs and cross-referenced with previous forum's threads and bug report. 

Update Feb 19, 2025: 


Note: this issue was fixed in version 14.0 released last October. 

If you are still seeing this issue it may be the result of several external issues.  If you have a destination for your Published Collection to a shared destination (Dropbox, One Drive, or similar), you may have interference with those services and Lightroom in determining the state of an image. Another item that may be involved is indexing applications such as anti-virus programs.  There is additional information in @johnrellis 's post in this thread here: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-photos-are-marked-for-republish-even-though-there-is-no-change/idc-p/15055463#M59196 

If someone can share instructions for reproducing this, we would be happy to reopen it as a new issue. 


Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
tomtel49
Inspiring
January 19, 2022

Hope I am posting this is the correct place....

This BUG (marking images a needing to be "re-published") is driving me nuts and really making LRC loose some of it value to me.   For a long while I have experienced this "bug" not really realizing the severity of it (more LRC editedphotos now than before).   Everytime I open LRC (ver 11.1 now) I find more and more photos needing to be "re-published".  

I can understand and accept a bug is s/w as long as it is fixed, but looking at all the postings this bug goes way back to to 2016 or ealier (think I read on posting from 2015) with LRC ver. 2015.6 - we are now on LRC ver 11.1 and 5-6 years later with no fix.  NOT fixing something like this after so long really does not have an excuse.   What is worse, one does not even know if images are being affected in other ways when being constantly marked for replublising.

I can have folders not show images needing to be republished and then turn around the next day/hour/week, etc. and then they will show up as needing to be replushing.   What is even worse I can have 1 or several images needing to be replushed and then "republish" them and get and according affect of images needing to be republished while updating.  It can just from a few images to a large number and back down and back up before completing.

I can mark the image as "Mark as up-to-date" and then will change their status - for this time period.  Open up LRC again, and the same (or some of the same) images are flagged as "Modified Photos to Re-Publish" again.

Needless to say, this is getting very, very tiring and wasting a lot of timeon managing one LRC catalogue.  MORE IMPORTANTLY - it is making one loose faith in LRC and almost looking for alternatives to managing/editing my photo catalogues - as much as I like the Adobe Photography package plan.

PLEASE, PLEASE FIX THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL .....

Participating Frequently
January 15, 2022

I found several threads that mention the issue of the system marking photos for republishing by itself but I didn't find any fix...I can't be alone with this issue. It's absolutely maddening to try and work in on my published folders only to see all the photos start to move around as the system seems to arbitrarily decide to start marking photos to republish.  I've had the issue since I went on the subscription model.

 

I'm on a mac with the latest software.

 

Please help!

johnrellis
Legend
January 16, 2022

The only workaround I'm aware of is from six years ago. Since it appears there could be multiple causes for these symptoms, that workaround may or may not work for you:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-photos-incorrectly-considered-as-quot-changed-quot-by-republishing-and-smart-collections/idc-p/12298925#M11821 

Participating Frequently
June 20, 2021

This pass ended up marking about two-thirds of my photos as "changed" even though I keep preference to keep the XMP up-to-date almost always engaged.

I could detect no pattern in the criteria it's using for this, so I not only do not know why so many photos are so-marked, I can't tell you why the remaining third were considered up-to-date.

Participating Frequently
June 12, 2021

This ridiculous behavior is still happening with 10.3.

Just a few weeks ago, I went back through the same exercise that led to this thread with 10.0, this time using 10.2: turn off the automatically write XMP pref, then page through the catalog from start to end, with the result that Lightroom marked about 4/5 of my catalog as needing a metadata update. I then toggled the preference back on and let it write gigs of pointless metadata changes back to my disk and re-backed-up all of those "changed" photos.

Now we've got the 10.3 update, and it's looking to do it all over again! It'll take me days of processing to be sure, but I see the same symptom in the first batch of photos it's done this to:

33c33<  <System:FileModifyDate>2021:06:01 04:08:51-06:00</System:FileModifyDate>--->  <System:FileModifyDate>2021:06:12 12:12:01-06:00</System:FileModifyDate>35c35<  <System:FileInodeChangeDate>2021:06:01 04:08:51-06:00</System:FileInodeChangeDate>--->  <System:FileInodeChangeDate>2021:06:12 12:12:01-06:00</System:FileInodeChangeDate>74c74<  <XMP-xmp:MetadataDate>2021:06:01 04:08:51-06:00</XMP-xmp:MetadataDate>--->  <XMP-xmp:MetadataDate>2021:06:12 12:12:01-06:00</XMP-xmp:MetadataDate>171c171<  <XMP-xmpMM:InstanceID>xmp.iid:9ee46f3f-bef7-426b-baa4-587741f62058</XMP-xmpMM:InstanceID>--->  <XMP-xmpMM:InstanceID>xmp.iid:3228d987-e2b8-4d09-941e-9078edf18895</XMP-xmpMM:InstanceID>183c183<    <rdf:li>xmp.iid:9ee46f3f-bef7-426b-baa4-587741f62058</rdf:li>--->    <rdf:li>xmp.iid:3228d987-e2b8-4d09-941e-9078edf18895</rdf:li>189c189<    <rdf:li>2021:06:01 04:08:51-06:00</rdf:li>--->    <rdf:li>2021:06:12 12:12:01-06:00</rdf:li>195c195<    <rdf:li>Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 10.2 (Macintosh)</rdf:li>--->    <rdf:li>Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 10.3 (Macintosh)</rdf:li>

Replication method:

  1. With the XMP pref turned off, run the command "exiftool /path/to/photo/marked/as/changed.jpg > a"
  2. Turn the XMP pref back on and either wait for Lightroom to get around to saving the bogus changes or explicitly Save them (Cmd-S).
  3. Run the same program as in step 1, but direct the output to a "b" file.
  4. Run "diff a b", resulting in above output.

This diff shows that only meaningless date stamps, GUIDs, etc. are changing, plus the Lightroom version number.

I think that last part is the critical part: I believe Lightroom's internal metadata checker is saying, "Oh, the last program to write this XMP to disk was Lr 10.2, and I'm 10.3, so the metadata's changed! Let's rewrite the XMP data!"

Please stop this. I really really really don't want to back up 4/5 of all photos I've merely happened to look at in the interval between each Lightroom version upgrade.

MusicalBarry
Participant
March 16, 2021

Obviously still investigating as v10.2 doesn't seem any better 😞

Sunil_Bhaskaran
Inspiring
January 5, 2021

Thanks for the details.
We are investigating.

Thanks,
Sunil

alexskunz
Inspiring
December 2, 2020

Could this be why photos in Publish Collections get marked as "changed" and requiring to be updated in the Publish service, in LrC 10?

I posted a "Problem" about that here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-classic-10-marks-photos-as-modified-to-republish-after-just-viewing-them/5f90bd81917fbb3a9931d201

Known Participant
November 22, 2020

They basically bricked the programme for me then, and because of the catalog update much harder to roll back because I slogged through a few projects already, crazy. I'm never auto-updating again. They had a really good track record up to this point in my book.

Participating Frequently
November 22, 2020

@Mphot43: Nope, it's still dog slow when working on the full catalog, and now I can't carve off a slice to get some reasonable speed back. This is deeply disappointing, Adobe!