P: Problem with zoom to fill in lightroom print mode

I have MacBook Pro (M1pro) running Ventura with an epson p800.

No crashing or such issues, are you running 12.6.2 of the P800 driver? 

Thanks for all the thoughts and guidance. I have MacBook Pro (M1pro) running Ventura with an epson p800. Same problem as described in the thread. Profiles not passed to printer. Awful LR prints PS ok.  Upgraded to LR12.1 in hope of a cure. Now have the 'page set up' crash as described on related thread.  Regressed to LR 12 and same crashes now occur.  One step forward two back.  Tried uninstalling and replacing all the drivers. Set up a new user account with LR and this didn't seem to crash but didn't try a full print run (no images in the catalog} thanks!

I'm starting to hate Ventura. 

Disregard last message. I quit LR, and opened it again, and now the CS ratio button is grayed out thankfully. 

I built a new user template and hopefully this will stick. But I'd warn folks, at least using Epson printers to ensure this ratio button is correctly invoked, I have no idea if it might default back and produce another butt-ugly print. 

With the radio button correctly sent, LR and Photoshop produce identical prints as they should. 

Ventura is indeed a mess with the new GUI for printing! But there are other issues depending on what printer I select in LR (all seems fine in Photoshop).

Something is really wrong with color management as seen below with the Epson 3880. I've got Application (not Printer) managing color, and selected a profile as seen, but the driver setup is wrong. It should be automatically set for ColorSync not what is shown below (Epson Color Controls). Not an issue in Photoshop, it runs fine. Printing this way makes an awful (incorrect) print:

Now I simply select to print to the Epson P800, it is OK:

Photoshop, same 3880 printer, correct setting for ColorSync. 

Seems like a LR bug! 

Some software products are using a private (undocumented) SPI called kPMApplicationColorMatching which you see in Photoshop and Lightroom and the Adobe Color Print Utility. When you set Application Manages Color, the area of the driver that controls Colorsync will alter the radio buttons such they are grayed out. X-Rite’s i1Profiler has also implemented this SPI. For some reason, LR unlike Photoshop is not using this SPI correctly. 

"You must click OK when exiting any of these Printer Options pop-ups, even if you change nothing."

That's pretty rude. 

I was a summer intern at the famed Xerox PARC in 1980, where computer laser printing was invented. Back then, they had a phrase, "a printing problem", to mean any recurring problem (usually unrelated to printing) that never seems to go away and for which there are all sorts of stupid, niggling little details that vary among printers and programs.

Forty two years later, and printing remains a never-ending source of problems!

Okay, I figured out what is happening. When I print from LRC, I set the color profile in LR's Print module, then I press Printer... .  From there, I have a habit to review the Quality and Media settings... every time.  

With Ventura's new Print dialog, that means expanding the Printer Options section, then clicking the question mark for Quality and Media (why Apple chose this odd convention, I don't understand). In order to get back to the Print dialog itself, you either need to click OK or Cancel on the Quality and Media pop-up. If I press OK, all is well. If I hit Cancel, I lose the settings for Quality and Media -- I also lose the settings for Color Matching and Borderless! That means, the color profile from Lightroom is not being passed to the printer. You must click OK when exiting any of these Printer Options pop-ups, even if you change nothing.

It's not at all intuitive and I assume it's a 'feature' of Ventura that's beyond Adobe's control. The fact that Apple hides all these settings behind the question marks is cumbersome AND with the above behavior, dangerous.

"Frequently, but not always, the color matching options are greyed out and Canon Color Matching is selected -- this guarantees a terrible print as color profile from LRC is not honored. Whenever this behavior occurs, the paper type will change as well."

Did you try resetting preferences?  When they get corrupted, LR can do all sorts of screwy things.

Thank you johnrellis -- Reviewing the linked documentation, the problem I'm having is different - the preview is not affected, only the printed output.

I may do a bit more playing around to see if I can reproduce reliably and/or share a video in a new thread. Something is definitely wrong.

I have a Canon Pro-100. Frequently, but not always, the color matching options are greyed out and Canon Color Matching is selected -- this guarantees a terrible print as color profile from LRC is not honored. Whenever this behavior occurs, the paper type will change as well. Perhaps it's a Ventura issue. In any case, it seems Zoom to Fill has nothing to do with it... just a red herring from my memory of the prior issue.

In the meantime, I've updated the macOS security settings for LRC as suggested and will see how it goes.

" I feel like this issue was previously fixed and is now back"

According to Lightroom Queen, who generally has the most authoritative fix list, this bug was fixed in LR 11.3 (April 2022):

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/whats-new-in-lightroom-classic-11-3/

It may have never been fixed completely or come back, or you may be tripping over a different bug with similar symptoms.

"In general, I'm finding strange behavior in the Print dialog box under LRC 12 and Ventura. The paper type keeps changing and even color sync will swtich off, each - seemingly - at random.  Very frustrating... and expensive."

A couple of troubleshooting steps:

- Verify you've granted LR Full Disk Access (not Files And Folders) permission:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/quick-tips-how-to-give-full-disk-access-to-lightroom-classic-on-macos/td-p/12913413 

LR can act very unpredictably without it.

- Try resetting LR's preferences:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/articles-page/how-do-i-reset-lightrooms-preferences/

LR sometimes soils its preferences file, and resetting it can fix all sorts of wonky behavior. That article explains how to restore the old preferences if resetting doesn't help.