P: Syncing Transform > Auto w just Upright Mode checked sometimes won't automatically recompute Auto

[johnrellis]

Normally, you can apply Transform > Auto to a batch of photos by syncing/copying with just the Upright Mode checked.  The Auto transform settings will be recomputed for each target photo.

But if you accidentally sync/copy Auto mode to target photos with both Upright Mode and Upright Transforms checked, Auto won't be recomputed on the target photos, and they'll display the Update button in the Transform panel.  This is as-designed.

If you try to correct the mistake by copying Auto mode again but with just Upright Mode selected, then Auto won't be recomputed on the target photos, and you'll have to click Update on them one by one.  This is incorrect. The photos have become "poisoned", and no use of Sync, Auto Sync, or presets will compute Auto automatically on the entire batch -- you'll have to click Update on each photo individually.  Too bad if there are hundreds of poisoned photos.

I've discovered just one way to clear the poisoned state other than clicking Update: Apply a preset that sets Upright Mode to Off, restart LR, and then apply a preset that sets Upright Mode to Auto.  Unfortunately, this workaround only clears the poisoned state for the currently selected photo in Develop, not on an entire batch.

The preset behaves differently before the restart than after, conclusively demonstrating this is not "as-designed" behavior.

Steps to reproduce (also see the attached screen recording):

1. Create a new catalog.
2. Import two photos A and B.
3. Edit A.
4. Make a preset Upright Mode Off with just Upright Mode selected.
5. Click Transform > Auto.
6. Make a preset Upright Mode On with just Upright Mode selected.
7. Cmd-click B in the filmstrip, do Sync, with Upright Mode and Upright Transforms checked.
8. Select B, observe Update is displayed in the Transform panel.
9. In Transform, click Off, then Auto, and observe Update is displayed (wrong).
10. In the filmstrip, click A and cmd-click B.
11. Do Sync, with Upright Mode only checked.
12. Select B and observe Update displayed in the Transform panel (wrong).
13. Apply the Upright Mode Off preset.
14. Apply the Upright Mode On preset, observe Update (wrong).
15. Apply the Upright Mode Off preset.
16. Restart.
17. Apply the Upright Mode On Preset, observe no Update (correct).

Tested on LR 11.4.1 / Mac OS 12.4.

[johnrellis]

Update: Sync/Copy is neglecting to clear these settings when copying just Upright Mode:

I discovered one way of clearing the "poisoned" state and setting Upright to Off via the SDK:

        PerspectiveUpright = 1,
        UprightTransform_0 = "", 
        UprightTransform_1 = "", 
        UprightTransform_2 = "", 
        UprightTransform_3 = "", 
        UprightTransform_4 = "", 
        UprightTransform_5 = "", 
        UprightTransformCount = 6,
        UprightCenterNormX ="", 
        UprightCenterNormY ="", 
        UprightFocalLength35mm = "",

I had thought that a plugin could clear them to restore the ability to copy Auto.  But that doesn't work in LR 12.0.1 -- either my previous testing was flawed or something has changed in LR since then.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Updating status and adding bug number

[richardplondon]

I haven't tested this lately, and cannot do so just now: but with a previous LrC version I recall that setting AutoSync on with multiple images highltighted, and then re-clicking the desired Upright mode, did prompt an individual Upright recalculation for each of those images. Worth a try maybe.

[johnrellis]

Just now I tested 10.4 and rested 11.4.1, and unfortunately they behave the same: Once a photo has been "poisoned" as described above, using Auto Sync to set the Upright Mode to Off and then to Auto won't clear the poisoned the state.

[Joooeforlong]

Adding that in the latest Lightroom (12.1) this bug persists, but it can be solved by completely resetting the Develop settings on the selected images, and then synchronizing "Upright Mode" from your target photo.

Still not ideal, but not as complex.

[jjaylad]

Happy New Year

I was using an Import Preset I made which would apply Auto-WB, Auto Tone and Transform/Upright. It worked well for the WB and Tone and gave a nice starting point for further processing.

It was a complete disaster for Transform/Auto Upright however, as it made a high percentage of images horribly crooked. Then, to make matters worse, changes applied by an Import Preset cannot be undone. Since "Constrain to Image" was checked, the images didn't have what got cropped off and no way to get it back. Consequently I was having to remove all the misaligned photos from the catalog and re-import them without that preset. I made a new one without that and run it from Library/User Presets AFTER IMPORTING so I can go to those images, revert them and align them myself. Strangely enough, on many of them, if I just run Transform/Auto-Upright on that photo alone ...it works fine. If I apply the original preset AFTER IMPORTING it seems to work much better than running it on import, and at least the bad ones can be fixed.

Perhaps that behaviour is a BUG as well??

[richardplondon]

[please disregard]

[johnrellis]

"Then, to make matters worse, changes applied by an Import Preset cannot be undone."

If you click Reset, that will undo the effect of applying a develop preset at Import.

[jjaylad]

Thanks John! I'll try that.

[Alain Racine]

Bonjour à tous 
Voici la description formelle de l'anomalie sur l'Upright. J'aimerais être en mesure de redresser en masse une série de photos avec la fonction d'Upright mais cela ne fonctionne pas : 

Description du problème : Lorsque j'utilise la fonction Upright dans Lightroom Classic pour redresser un lot de photos, seule l'image initialement ajustée est correctement redressée. Les autres photos du lot ne le sont pas, et je suis contraint de les parcourir une par une pour cliquer sur "Mettre à jour" afin d'appliquer le redressement. Cela devrait être effectué automatiquement et d'emblée lors de la synchronisation.

Étapes pour reproduire :

1. Importez un lot de photos présentant des inclinaisons variées dans le module Développement de Lightroom Classic.
2. Sélectionnez toutes les photos du lot dans le film fixe.
3. Assurez-vous que la première photo du lot (celle qui est active) présente une inclinaison visible.
4. Dans le panneau de droite, faites défiler jusqu'au panneau Transformation.
5. Cliquez sur l'un des boutons de redressement automatique Upright (par exemple, "Niveau" ou "Auto").
6. La première photo est correctement redressée visuellement.
7. Avec toutes les photos toujours sélectionnées, cliquez sur le bouton "Synchroniser..." en bas à droite.
8. Dans la boîte de dialogue "Synchroniser les paramètres", cliquez sur "Tout désélectionner".
9. Cochez UNIQUEMENT la case "Mode Upright" (sous la section "Transformation"). (Les cases "Transformation" et "Transformations Upright" restent bien décochées).
10. Cliquez sur "Synchroniser".

Comportement attendu : Après la synchronisation avec "Mode Upright" coché, Lightroom devrait analyser et appliquer automatiquement le redressement spécifique à chaque photo du lot. Chaque photo devrait être redressée visuellement sans intervention supplémentaire.

Comportement observé : Après la synchronisation :

• Seule la première photo du lot (celle sur laquelle le mode Upright a été appliqué initialement) est redressée.
• Toutes les autres photos du lot ne sont pas redressées visuellement.
• Pour que chaque photo individuelle soit redressée, je dois la sélectionner et cliquer manuellement sur le bouton "Mettre à jour" dans le panneau Transformation. Cela confirme que l'analyse Upright n'a pas été exécutée pour ces photos lors de la synchronisation.

Impact : La fonction de synchronisation par lot du "Mode Upright" est inefficace, ce qui oblige à un travail manuel long et répétitif pour redresser chaque photo individuellement.

Version de Lightroom Classic : 14.4

Système d'exploitation : Microsoft Windows 11 Professionnel (Version 10.0.26100 Build 26100)

[Aleke]

Hi @Alain Racine! Thanks so much for reaching out — and for the super detailed steps on how to reproduce the issue, that’s really helpful.

I followed your instructions as closely as possible, but I wasn’t able to reproduce the problem on my end — the Upright mode applied correctly to all selected photos for me. It’s possible I missed something, though. Would you be able to share a quick screen recording of your full workflow so I can see exactly what’s happening?

Thanks again!
Alek

[johnrellis]

It sounds like you're tripping over a longstanding bug with Sync Settings:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-syncing-transform-gt-auto-w-just-upright-mod...

If you sync both Transform > Upright Mode and Transform > Upright Transformations to a photo, then it is "poisoned". If you attempt to sync just Upright Mode to that photo, you'll have to manually click Update anyway.  

At some point, you might have synced both Upright Mode and Upright Transforms to the photos, and now they're "poisoned".

The only way to fix them is by click Reset (discarding all their edits).  You can reset an entire batch of photos by going to Library, selecting the photos, and clicking Quick Develop > Reset All.

[Alain Racine]

Bonjour johnrellis

En effet, initialement j'ai synchronisé MODE + TRANSFORMATION.

Ensuite j'ai compris la différence entre la copie du MODE versus la copie de TRANSFORMATION.

Ca doit en effet être ce phénomène "de paramètres empoisonnés" qui me touche également.

Malheurement, je ne peux réinitialiser toutes mes photos (~1000) car elles comportent des réglages de colorimétrie que je perdrais si je faisais cela.

Est ce que le bogue est identifié au niveau du code et est-il prévu une correction ?

Merci pour votre soutien

Alain

[johnrellis]

@Alain Racine: "Is the bug identified at the code level and is a fix planned?"

Adobe acknowledged this bug three years ago but hasn't posted any further information. Unfortunately, they rarely comment on when or if a bug might be fixed (before it actually gets fixed).

[johnrellis]

@Alain Racine, after rereading this thread, I realized how a script could clear the "poisoned" upright mode from an entire batch of photos.

Download this script:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1fmro282rnca8b7h75nmy/clear-poisoned-upright-mode.lua?rlkey=32xrvvp4s... 

Open the file in a text editor and follow the instructions there about how to install and run the script.

After following the instructions, you should be able to sync Transform > Upright Mode correctly.

[Alain Racine]

Great, Many Thanks @johnrellis 

I will try it tomorrow. 

I hope Adobe will be able to patch this quickly.

Nice 🙂

Alain