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P: Tone curve still broken in

Aficionado ,
Dec 08, 2016 Dec 08, 2016

The bug that I reported here has not been squashed in the latest Lightroom.

The problem is hysteresis in the response of points on the tone curve control when following mouse movements.

If you drag a point (say, the white point) in the Tone Curve and move it back and forth, after a few drags you will not be able to put the point back in the upper right corner of the response panel.

The underlying cause is that (a) the point does not move directly with the cursor (LR hides the cursor so you can't see this, but when you let go of the mouse button you will see that the cursor does not align with the point, (b) as you drag, the relationship between the cursor position and the point changes, when the point hits the right edge of the box and the cursor continues to the right, then when you move the cursor back to the left it does not "pick up" the point at the same location that it "left" the point, and (c) the (invisible) cursor is limited by Mac OS to stay on the screen.

The work-around (which is not perfect), is to make your Lightroom window smaller so that there is more space beyond the right edge of the window, so the hysteresis effect doesn't show up as quickly. If you have 2 screens, you can move the Lightroom window to the left screen, which effectively solves this problem.

I assume that this problem occurs for all four edges of the Tone Panel, but because the Tone Panel is on the right hand side of the Lightroom window, the effect is seen mostly when trying to move a point on the tone curve to the right hand side of the panel.

If this is not clear, let me know, and I'll see if I can post a video.

[Edit -- I just confirmed this bug for the top edge of the Tone Curve as well.]

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Empleado de Adobe , Mar 07, 2017 Mar 07, 2017
The bug associated with this post and thread is still open at Adobe. The bug to which the Blog Post refers and to which Alan subsequently refers is different. 
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Participante ,
Apr 13, 2017 Apr 13, 2017
Mine works like charm. Try maybe to install fresh copy of LR.
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Empleado de Adobe ,
Apr 13, 2017 Apr 13, 2017
Just to add Rikk's statement. We still have not fixed below issue(mac os Sierra only) in 6.10. We will try to fix this in coming releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunxPxZgx5A&feature=youtu.be


Thanks,
Ganesh
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Empleado de Adobe ,
Apr 13, 2017 Apr 13, 2017
@JosE,

We reproduce the issue. We will fix this in coming releases.

Thanks,
Ganesh
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Nuevo aquí ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
Mine still isn't working on my 2016 MacBook w/ Touch Bar. Can someone who's is report whether they have "Use Graphics Processor" enabled or disabled?
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Principiante de comunidad ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
I've tried both now, with and without GPU acceleration now. Acts the same, generally working ok now after 2015.10. On a late 2013 Retina MacBook with macOS 10.12.4.

Will say though, that it's still vertically jittering when dragging a point horizontally. Like you're dragging the adjustment point across a bumpy road. Would like to have it real smooth. But at least it can be used now.
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Aficionado ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
Hi Ganesh. There is some confusion here. The bug I reported (that is my youtube video you reference) is fixed for me. I am now seeing none of the "jittery" behavior reported above and below. I am using MacOS Sierra 10.12.4. Please make sure that any bug reports regarding the tone curve don't reference my video or this thread, because as far as I am concerned, that bug is fixed. While there are definitely features I would like in the tone curve, I find it completely usable as is.
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Nuevo aquí ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
While it may be fixed for you, it's still not for others. Mac OS 10.12.4 2016 MacBook pro here and still have the issue after the latest update.
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Aficionado ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
Hi grasse. While I can't see your computer, I wonder if you are seeing the same bug that I reported. Have you looked at the video to see if it is the same as the problem you are seeing? There were a suite of issues (hidden cursor, hysteresis, running into the edge of the screen) that I reported, that are all fixed for me. I never reported "jittery" cursor tracking. My point is that if Adobe staff think that my bug report is still active, then they might be trying to fix the wrong thing. If, as I suspect, the bug you and others are seeing is different, it deserves a new thread.
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Nuevo aquí ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
Hey Alan, my apologies. I seemingly have neglected to fully read your bug report like many others. Seems there are so many issues with the curves editor that has given us all a little frustration haze. I made a bug report not too long ago on the issue that ended up just getting swept under the rug and merged into a completely unrelated topic. 

Sorry for adding confusion to yours; it does seem to have been fixed!
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Nuevo aquí ,
Apr 16, 2017 Apr 16, 2017
Yeah, the jitteriness and overall slow response has always been my problem. I can't be remotely accurate without pulling my hair out to get one point where I would like it to be.
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Empleado de Adobe ,
Apr 18, 2017 Apr 18, 2017
It's an erroneous warning, you can ignore it. Details here: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/compatibility-warning-with-edit-in.html
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Empleado de Adobe ,
Apr 18, 2017 Apr 18, 2017
@grasse,

Are you talking about the small vertical oscillation when dragging horizontally? 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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Nuevo aquí ,
Apr 24, 2017 Apr 24, 2017
Hello there again! I wrote about the inaccuracy with the curves a little bit higher up in the thread. Anyway,  I am very glad to see that the curves are now much smoother than before. Thank you!

I am a little frustrated however. There is now an even more annoying "problem" going on with the curves. After the update that fixed the previous problem, making a point only by clicking on the curve now moves the entire curve if you're not clicking exactly on the line. Before the update, the curve didn't move when creating a point by clicking on it, it stayed "natural". This is good (for me) since I sometimes make several points, and then only make minor adjustments with ONE of the points.

Great news! I now discovered that the curve do not move when holding "alt" while clicking on it, "jumping around happily". I guess I will get used to this. I know that it's impossible to make the curve stay "natural" in photoshop like this though. I think it's a bit weird that details like this gets overlooked. Or am I the only one who do not want to let my mouse decide where the curve lands? Mouses aren't that accurate for a human to be able to nail the exact percentage of the curve with one click.

I really think this is something that should be "fixed" in photoshop as well. It's so inaccurate for minor adjustments it's impossible for me to use.

Sorry for being a bit dramatic.
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Empleado de Adobe ,
Apr 24, 2017 Apr 24, 2017
[Alt/Opt] also reduces the sensitivity of the movements to 10% of normal for precise adjustments. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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LEYENDA ,
May 27, 2017 May 27, 2017
still not working...
MacBook Air (13-inch, Mid 2012) Sierra LR6.9
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Empleado de Adobe ,
May 28, 2017 May 28, 2017
The fix was in 6.10. You need to update. 
Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
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LEYENDA ,
Jun 12, 2017 Jun 12, 2017
Not fixed.
Mac Pro (Late 2013)
3.5 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon E5
32 GB 1866 MHz DDR3
AMD FirePro D500 3072 MB

CC up to date
Lightroom 15.10.1
Camera Raw 9.10.1
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LEYENDA ,
Feb 20, 2021 Feb 20, 2021

Hello, I am experiencing this issue & I have the latest LR CC & Classic software (10.1.1 & 4.1). I am not able to adjust the ends of my tone curve. I'm using the latest update on a MacBook Pro.

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LEYENDA ,
Feb 20, 2021 Feb 20, 2021

*amberleighhh 

The issue of the cursor not following the point is fixed in 10.1.1.  Are you sure you are using the points curve and not the parametric curve.  The point curves are activated by the second thru fifth circles on the top of the curve.

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LEYENDA ,
Feb 20, 2021 Feb 20, 2021
MÁS RECIENTES

You are correct, I must have been using the parametric curve, while I thought I selected the points curve while playing around with it. I now have it working on both platforms, thank you for getting back with me!

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