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January 12, 2024
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Adobe DNG Converter compatibility

  • January 12, 2024
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Hi.

There is a major design issue with DNG Converter which I want to raise here.

Here on help page (https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/adobe-dng-converter.html) it is said:

 

Note: 

Adobe provides backwards compatibility for the latest cameras for use in older versions of Photoshop, Lightroom, Bridge, After Effects, and Photoshop Elements through the DNG Converter.

 

How is this supposed to work taking into account system requirements specified on that same page?

 

Let's say I'm running older hardware or Windows 7 and can not upgrade Photoshop or Lightroom Classic.

But I will not be able to run DNG Converter on that system either.

And if I can run DNG Converter, then I will be able to run latest Photoshop or Lightroom Classic because system requirements are basically the same.

 

So what's the point?

Am I missing something?

 

In my opinion DNG Converter should be built with the lowest system requirements possible, which is currently not the case.

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DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 13, 2024

Adobe Camera Raw / Lightroom presently get annual upgrades which allows for the support available in the new version. At present ACR is at version 16 LrC is version 13.

Adobe DNG Convertor 16 to be in sync with ACR 16.

I stands to reason that if ACR/ LrC require a particular Operating System to function then it will also be applicable to Adobe DNG converter.

I am is that situation at the moment my iMac cannot beyond version 11, so I cannot upgrade to ACR 16 / LrC 13 and Adobe DNG Converter 16.

Even if you could import a DNG which was created in version 16 to LrC 12 the new features for LrC 13 will not be applied.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 13, 2024

I think most responders are missing the valid point that the OP has made. If you use an old version of Lightroom on an old OS, then the backwards compatibility of DNG Converter is more or less a myth. The reason is that the version of DNG Converter that is required to convert raw files from a new camera to DNG, won't run on your computer. So yes, you can theoretically convert your raw files to DNGs that can be used in your old version of Lightroom, but you will have to ask a friend with a modern computer to do that for you.


Now of course you can ask whether it is reasonable to expect Adobe to keep old software on old computers compatible with the lastest cameras. My answer to that is negative. I don't think it is reasonable at all to expect that.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 13, 2024

Adobe don't need to keep old software compatible with the new cameras.

All they have to do is just build DNG converter with older OS SDK (Windows SDK for example), not with latest and greatest like they are doing.


DNG, is no magic application it provides a specific function. If you choose that workflow, then it is recommended you keep your original RAW images so you can process a new version of Adobe DNG Converter.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
GoldingD
Legend
January 13, 2024

 

 

Let's say I'm running older hardware or Windows 7 and can not upgrade Photoshop or Lightroom Classic.

But I will not be able to run DNG Converter on that system either.

And if I can run DNG Converter, then I will be able to run latest Photoshop or Lightroom Classic because system requirements are basically the same.

 

Being able to run the DNG converter is not the point. The point is being able to create a DNG file that the user can bring into old Adobe Post Processing software. A user not having a version of Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, Bridge, or Photoshop, that supports the camera they have is the point. People with perfectly capable computers say a computer bought just today, say with maximum CPU, maximum RAM, maximum VRAM, the fastest greatest  GPU ever sold, will not be able to use their old ancient Lightroom Perpetual v6.14 on a brand new just produced camera. So, they use the DNG converter to create a nice DNG that will work in old Lightroom Perpetual 6.14 or older.

 

Another set of individuals that may need to use the DNG converter, are those with fairly new computers, that could use say LrC v 10.0, but cannot use LrC v13.1 on a computer that could run say LrC v10, biut not V13.1. (more of a MACOS issue than Windows, but eventual this will occur on Windows, for example, stuck on Windows 7)

 

If you go and look at the Adobe document for Adobe Camera RAW supported Cameras:

Cameras supported by Camera Raw | Adobe

you will see lots of cameras that are not supported in say Lightroom perpetual v6.14 and older.

 

Now to look at that statement again:

 

Note: 

Adobe provides backwards compatibility for the latest cameras for use in older versions of Photoshop, Lightroom, Bridge, After Effects, and Photoshop Elements through the DNG Converter.

 

To provide compatibility for older Adobe post processing software, not for compatibility with older OS.

 

Maybe I should summarize

 

  • Users who refuse to move on to a subscription, who still use old no longer supported Lightroom Perpetual v6.14 and older, but with new cameras, can use the DNG converter.
  • Users who computer, no longer supports upgrading to the latest LrC, and who's brand new camera requires LrC v13.2 can use the DNG converter.
  • Users who are using a computer with 2 GB of RAM, a 1 GHz CPU running 32 bit, on Windows 7, are out of luck.
FSt0pAuthor
Inspiring
January 13, 2024

>> Users who refuse to move on to a subscription, who still use old no longer supported Lightroom Perpetual v6.14 and older, but with new cameras, can use the DNG converter.

 

On what Windows OS?

DNG Converter requires Windows 10/11, where Lightroom 6 is not supported.

Why there is support for Photoshop CS/CS2/CS3/CS4 and so on in the DNG Converter then?

Am I supposed to run those versions on Windows 10/11 where they are not supported either?

FSt0pAuthor
Inspiring
January 12, 2024

Your explanation doesn't explain anything at all.

Lightroom Classic, ACR and DNG Converter are released at more or less same schedule and support same cameras, and they all have similar system requirements.

If your camera is supported by LrC/ACR - you don't need DNG Converter, and if it doesn't - you will need DNG Converter that is newer then your LrC/ACR and will have higher system requirements.

If you can satisfy those requirements you may as well just upgrade your LrC/ACR, and if you can't - DNG Converter will not run either.

 

Also DNG Converter have compatibility levels for ACR 2.4 (Photoshop CS), ACR 4.x (Photoshop CS 3), ACR 5.x (Photoshop CS4) and so on.

For what?

Following your logic it shouldn't be there because neither of them are supported on Windows 10/11 which is required by latest DNG Converter.

 

It's funny how people are trying to protect what is obviously not very well though decision.

Come on, exact same thing already happened to Lightroom 6 which is fully 64bit, but can not be run on modern MacOS due to someone's great decision to make it's installer 32bit.

Keith Reeder
Participating Frequently
January 13, 2024

"Your explanation doesn't explain anything at all."

 

No, you just refuse to acknowledge or accept it.

Keith Reeder
Participating Frequently
January 12, 2024

"But I will not be able to run DNG Converter on that system either."

 

Yes you will - but only versions compatible with that OS.

 

So Adobe's claim is accurate, but "nuanced" - they don't promise backward compatibility with old operating systems, just with their own software.

 

In that regard, they're just following the providers of those OS' - MS doesn't support its "antique" platforms either.

 

"So what's the point?"

 

The point is to to enable conversion of RAW files that your versions of Lr, PS etc. are too old for - the starting assumption is that you can run it.

 

Adobe has no responsibility for your operating system, though - that's 100% on you...