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February 19, 2023
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AI masks needs to be updated all the time

  • February 19, 2023
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Everytime I edit new pictures with AI masks, previous pictures with AI mask needs to be update all the time.

Even with update AI settings. after a while. It needs to be updated again.

 

LR Classic Version 12.2

Windows 10 22H2

 

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Correct answer JohanElzenga
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It is. But I've noticed it is read-only file. Is it supposed to be that?


By @PhakornS


No, that doesn't make sense, because that means Lightroom can't save any changes in it (which would explain what you see). Maybe you should delete it completely, so Lightroom can rebuild it when you update all masks one more time.

 

13 replies

Participant
August 2, 2024

Hi, I've also been experiencing the same issue for the past two weeks, and it's quite frustrating. I tried everything. I contacted Adobe support, but they couldn't access my machine. I installed updates, uninstalled and reinstalled, restarted, and even restored a backup of my computer—I tried everything, and nothing worked. When I reopened LR, it asked me to update the last catalog I was using, and the same problem occurred.

Solution? I just created a new catalog since someone mentioned that the previous one might be corrupted, and voilà—it seems to be working fine now. This is something that tech support could have told me. As mentioned earlier, it's disappointing to pay for a subscription and not have effective solutions.

Participant
June 11, 2024

Just updated to Lightroom Classic 2024 and the AI masks all need to be updated constantly too!

The Keeper of the Garden
Inspiring
June 11, 2024

In my experience, this problem only arises when one uses the healing tools *after* having created AI masks, and/or when applying lens profiles *after* having created AI masks. In that case, it's only logical that the AI masks need to be "updated" or actually recalculated as so many pixels have been shifted or changed.

Inspiring
April 18, 2024

This is extremely annoying.  Doing the same here.  Grid view doesn't make a difference 99% of the time (it worked once).

 

Another bug it seems.

Participant
January 2, 2024

I am having the same issue and have been for the last three days.  I've also spent around 4 hours on the remote sessions with Adobe tech support, and somehow, the technicians act like they've never heard of this before.  There is an obvious issue ongoing.  

They have checked for updates, checked my system requirements, created new catalogs, deleted and reimported files, optimized catalogs, and more.  It is not my system that is the error, and I'd bet it's not any of yours either.  

 

The worst part is that I'm on day three with Adobe at the end of my busiest part of the season for me, trying to get my final galleries out the door on time, and I can't do anything because of this issue.  I am beyond frustrated at this point.  

 

If any of you have found a work around, I'd appreaciate any input.

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 2, 2024

@Kristin.Yoder You mention a lot of things you tried, but nothing you say talks about the 'catalogname.lrcat-data' in your catalog folder. That is where AI-masks are stored, so that is the most likely place this problem originates and must be solved. Did you read this whole thread before you posted? There are workarounds mentioned that work, at least for some people. You also do not say if you use Mac or Windows. That is also important when trying to find such a workaround. What works for Windows users may not work for Mac users and vice versa.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
The Keeper of the Garden
Inspiring
December 13, 2023

I'm a fine art photographer. Since several years now, I've become increasingly frustrated by, not to say fed up with, all the gimmicks Adobe has added to LrC. The User Interface has become totally cluttered with totally un-photographic garbage, e.g. Artifical Intelligenc (who needs that except those who like fake photos, fake people and a fake world?!), way too complicated actions in order to just use a dodge and burn brush (that's the root of all real photographe, dear AI!) which now forces me to make a "mask", name it, and always open the "masking" menu in order to see that I actually applied dodging or burning! 
I've had this very same problem, and nothing helps to correct it:  AI masks or settings needing to be updated randomly and without any real cause (hey, I thought the I in AI stood for "Intelligence"?!...).
I've worked in IT in a previous life, a long time ago, and I can tell Adobe programmers one thing: The more stuff you stuff into a program, the more chances there are, the more opportunities you create, to have bugs, to have things work against each other instead of with each other, and especially the more the user interface, the usability, the learning curve gets worse!
If only I could revert back to a Lightroom like it was in the very beginning: A fresh breeze, a simple, consistent, logical, helpful tool for my digital photography workflow, a truly fantastic program to use. I can't anymore. I've been forced for years to upgrade, update, convert catalogs, files, metadata and all the other parameters, caches, and data files that now surround and clutter what once was a truly great piece of programming.
Every couple of months new "issues" (problems!!!) arise with LrC, syncing, and really essential things like renaming Published Folders - a bug that has been around for two years and was never solved.
What I gather from all the testing over the last three weeks with a serious problem affecting syncing to the Adobe Cloud, and now seeing how many (!) other users struggle with the AI settings forcing us to click a menu item to have the "Intelligence" of AI wake up and do whatever it deems necessary to do to fake a true "photograph" into a "digital image" (there's a very clear difference!), is that LrC cannot handle anything related to permissions on its own files whenever the OS (in my case macOS, thank heavens for that) has to or wants to make things more "secure".
I'm fed up, really fed up. Either I now sell all my digital cameras and accessories and go back to using film, or I dump Adobe's software for something else (without any guarantee I don't have to become a slave to AI also in that new "universe") and find myself forced to rework almost twenty years of editing.
What I don't agree with, is that people who are being well paid to make, correct, de-bug, and improve a piece of software, expect the users (who pay them...) to do all the testing, logging, de-bugging, writing on forums like this one and thus actually helping them, etc., all for free and having to waste days or weeks of work and income in order to see their hopes of a new update or new version without any bugs or annoyances or minutes of waiting before a catalog opens up (!), vanish every single time.
I don't know about other users, but I'm not taking this anymore. I don't take Adobe serious anymore. Sorry, I've tried. I've tried since 2006. It's time to create and edit photographs (either digitally or in the dark room) again, without any energy, good mood, or money wasted on doing the testing, the de-bugging, the logical thinking for those who are being well-paid to do that in the first place.
"Less Is More!", meaning less AI, less faking photographs, less clutter in the user interface, less files surrounding the true software, less complicated uploads and downloads, and whatever syncs to whatever other piece of Adobe software in whatever way...  

Frank_B
Inspiring
December 13, 2023

@The Keeper of the Garden  There is an old latin saying, "Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur" which is still true today and so there's demand for "fake photos" as you called them. For this reason AI tools are useful at least for some of us.

With everything else you wrote I can agree. I'd switch to Capture One if it weren't for Lrc-Ps workflow.
Try DxO PhotoLab. No subscription bs.

Participating Frequently
October 14, 2023

Does anyone have updated solutions to this. Deleting the .lrcat-data file and letting Lr rebuild is only a one time solution. It keeps happening and I have to do it each time I use Lr. Lr rebuilds the file as read only and do not have an option to change it. Does anyone know how to permanently fix this problem? Thanks so much.

Brian
Participant
October 17, 2023

I am also having this issue. It's very frustrating!! Any answers anyone?

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 17, 2023

You both need to tell us more, especially what computer (Windows/Mac) and what version numbers you use. Also tell us what you already tried. Do you know how to check permissions of a file or folder? Do you know how to change them if they are wrong? How can you expect us to provide any help if we don't even know what computer you use?

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
Known Participant
August 6, 2023

Same this happening to me since forever. I use my files on my external hard drive, so no iCloud, Dropbox, anything. I have updated Lightroom, but it's still happening. Has someone found the issue??

Kimberlyreynoldsphoto
Participating Frequently
August 22, 2023

I'd like to know too becuase this is adding 4 hours of extra refreshing to my editing time!

heshphoto
Participating Frequently
May 24, 2023

same issue.  not on any cloud service drive (dropbox, icloud, etc) but happens all the time... also, more importantly... anyway to batch update these?? it's literally thousands of files with "dead" masks and so far i can only do force upate one by one.

heshphoto
Participating Frequently
May 24, 2023

nevermind, found it.  but still would really like to make this STOP HAPPENING!

Participant
November 21, 2023

How are you batch updating?

Participant
March 10, 2023

Ok, I think I figured it out, as least as it relates to my case (MacOS)

My lightroom files were all stored in iCloud Drive, thus they were uploaded and downloaded at their own grace. 

I realized that the AI masks had to be updated every time I close and reopen Lightroom. 

I moved all the Lightroom files onto my local disk and then opened LRC from there and recomputed some masks. 

Then I closed and reopened the lightroom, and problem solved, the Masks would remain. 

 

Sean McCormack
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 10, 2023

A lot of the cloud services act as network drives, which Lightroom doesn't like. At least we have a solution that can be used for others based on this information. 

Sean McCormack. Author of 'Essential Development 3'. Magazine Writer. Former Official Fuji X-Photographer.
Participating Frequently
April 5, 2023

My files are stored on my actual mac hard drive and not cloud.  Any suggestions for me?  I am havin gthis same issue.  Have had them for months.

 

 

Sean McCormack
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 20, 2023

Is Auto Sync turned on?

Sean McCormack. Author of 'Essential Development 3'. Magazine Writer. Former Official Fuji X-Photographer.
PhakornSAuthor
Participating Frequently
February 21, 2023

Both on or make no difference. Still needs to update AI masks after edit new pictures.

Frank_B
Inspiring
February 23, 2023

Same in Lr Classic 12.1. Seems like a bug to me.

3080, ryzen 9 5950x, 64 ram, plenty of available ssd space for cache, etc.