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All my virtual copies disappeared

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April 11, 2021
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When I opened LR, I found that all of my virtual copies had disappeared. I restored the backup from a few days ago and they were back.

Question is this: Using the attribute filter, I had previously selected all of my virtual copies in a collection. Then I exported them all to a specific file location using the Export function. When I did this, did this somehow delete or move my virtual copies?

I haven't experienced any type of errors and didn't move the catalog. I'm trying to figure out what I did that could have caused this. Is there some setting I should look at that I somehow set to filter out virtual copies?

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Mejor respuesta de Lyle157F

Ok here it is in 4 screenshots.

1 - I imported a image into a Collection "LRTest2." You can see the image and that the Collection is selected.

2 - I created a virtual copy.

3 - I switched to a different Collection and back. The virtual copy is gone?

4 - I created a new virtual copy and you can read that it says "Copy 2" so LR knows there is another copy but doesn't display it?

Ok I think I figured it out but will test somemore to confirm.

After importing images into a Collection, I'm guessing that previous versions of LR used to automatically select the Collection that was created during the import. It leads you to believe that as your images all show up but what I discovered after answering your request for screenshots that the new Collection was NOT selected and the VCs were being created in the All Photos (I guess location??). Until you left the current quick collection or whereever, the VCs showed up. Now I can see that the Collection is not automatically selected during the import process and either I was lucky before 3/6/21 or an update changed the operation of LR?

This lead me to assume they were gone as they didn't show up. Now I need to do a global search for the VCs and see if they are indeed somewhere else. Assuming this is my error and now that I know to explicitly select the Collection after creating it, my problems will be solved!

DdeGannes

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Removed.

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Lyle157FAutor

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I think my explanation of what is happening is not clear to everyone. What I'm trying to say is that my virtual copies are not showing up in the library. If you look at the example screenshot below you can see that the selected image clearly says "Copy 2" yet the first virtual copy does not display. The original image is the one to the left and the image highlighted is the second virtual copy created. What it should show is two virtual copies and not the second virtual copy by itself. I've tried unstacking but that option is grayed out and I didn't have stacking selected. I've tried clicking the show/hide virtual copies but nothing shows up. If I select virtual copies the only copies that I created during this session are displayed and not those from a previous session. LightRoom knows there is an original virtual copy but it is not displayed because it tells you how many virtual copies have been created. What I do is make virtual copies of all images that I post process. That way I know which images have been post-processed as the bottom left corner is folded. So when I load a collection, I can easily tell which images have been post-processed. This has always worked in the past and now just works on the current session.

Rob_Cullen

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Is it possible you are creating one Virtual Copy in the Library Grid View, and another in a Collection Grid View?

If so this is what you would see-

The Collection View- Only {Copy 2} showing-

The Folder View- Both VCs showing.

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .

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Lyle157FAutor

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I don't understand the difference between "Collection View" and "Folder View." When I do a photoshoot I copy the images to my network drive, then import the RAWs into a new LR Collection for that photoshoot and leave the RAWs in place in the original folder. I work inside the collection and create a virtual copy for every photo that I post process and export out to a model's folder. As far as I know, I'm not switching between Collection and Folder view and don't know how to switch between them. This has always worked up until the last few months when virtual copies stopped showing up when I exited LightRoom and started it the next day. Once I restored from a backup and my virtual copies reappeared but the next exit cycle they disappeared.

How do you switch to folder view? I don't create any folders beyond the original folder that I copy my images to from the memory card. Once they are in that folder, the files are not moved or touched.

Rob_Cullen

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I think you have a major mis-understanding of the nature of 'Virtual Copies'.

As the name implies, they are NOT physical files that you can 'Move' separate to the 'Master' Original file.

They are only an alternate view (Preview) of the original camera file referenced in the catalog.

You can however, Export from the Virtual Copy and you then create another new 'physical' file with the Develop edits you have applied to the VC baked in to the exported file.

And, yes, there is a way to "filter out virtual copies" using the [Attribute] filter there are three small icons to selectively show/hide 'Originals / Virtual Copies / videos'-

Strange that VCs are appearing randomly. They are easily created by the keyboard shortcut [Ctrl+' ]

And when creating a Collection of images there is an option to [Make New Virtual Copies], which might be your experience.

(But not to exclude Catalog corruption from the possibilities 😞 )

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .

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Lyle157FAutor

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Thanks for your response. I know that VCs do not actually exist but are only instructions which tell LR how to process a master image.

What would be helpful would be a way to dump the contents of the catalog and see if it showed virtual copies existed or possibly LR didn't record them when exiting the program?

JohanElzenga

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Did you perhaps have a collection selected when this happened? If you hit the Delete key while being in a selection, all the selected images or virtual copies will be removed from that collection. Because they are only removed from the collection, and not from the catalog, you will not get any warning. It's easy to think they have been removed completely, however.

Removing virtual copies from the catalog will generate a warning dialog first, so that is something you can't do without noticing it (well, there actually is a "splat delete" keystroke combination that can do this, but because that entails no less than four keys, it is not something you could press by mistake).

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Lyle157FAutor

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I'm trying to watch that I don't do this as its never been a problem in the past. The biggest fat finger issue I have is when I'm initially starting to post process. I do a lot of model shoots and often with multiple models. So I'll go in and select all of the shots of one model and update the Keywords with her name. This is often hundreds of shots and leaves them all selected. Then I'll click on the first image I want to post process and create a virtual copy. The problem is that if you're not careful, LR will not deselect all the images and you realize that it's creating several hundred virtual copies instead of one. It would be nice if LR would ask do you really want 300 virtual copies.

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Lyle157FAutor

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I just loaded images from a shoot yesterday and noticed that some of the shots already had virtual images created? If I open the virtual image, I can see that there are no adjustments made to the image and I don't think I created the virtual copies in my sleep?

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