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DavePinMinn
Inspiring
May 5, 2022
Question

Behavior when moving between Lightroom and Photoshop

  • May 5, 2022
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PC, windows 11 pro, current Lightroom and Photoshop versions.

This came up in a Lightroom class I've been involved in, and I'm not sure what's actually happening.

 

Open RAW in Lightroom, do processing, Edit in Photoshop.

Photoshop opens, image shows up, add an adjustment layer, make changes, do SAVE.

Back in Lightroom, psd file shows up, can see the changes made in PS.

 

Make changes in Lightroom, and Edit in Photoshop - this time "Select Original" to preserve the layers.

Over in Photoshop, the image I'd originally opened from Lightroom is sitting there, and a popup that says "The disk copy of xxx.psd was changed since you last opened or saved it.  Do you wish to update it?"  Select "Update".

What SHOULD happen at this point?  I can't see the changes I made in Lightroom (normal), but they SHOULD be applied automatically when I get BACK to Lightroom, right?

 

Make MORE changes to the open file in Photoshop - This time add a pattern to the image.  So another layer.  Do Save.

Back in Lightroom, my changes from Photoshop show up, BUT the changes made in Lightroom before the second visit to Photoshop, DON'T. 

I tried selecting "Cancel" in response to the question about updating the disk copy.  Same result when I got back to Lightroom.

 

SO FAR, the only way I've been able to get the multiple-round-trips to work is to CLOSE the file in Photoshop every time I go back to Lightroom.  As long as I DO that, I don't see the Lightroom changes in Photoshop, which is normal, but I DO see them when I get back to Lightroom.

 

I DON'T recall having to do this in the past.  It seems to me that I was always able to leave the image OPEN in Photoshop, and keep going back and forth between Lightroom and Photoshop without any problem.  Is the current behavior a change, a setting I may have wrong, something due to Windows 11, or has it ALWAYS worked this way and I'm completely off-base?

 

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TheDigitalDog
TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
May 5, 2022

To add, you can catalog layered images in LR but as soon as you try editing them there, it's all happening on a flattened 'version' so to speak which is again why I also agree, don't round trip from LR to PS after you've applied edits, certainly on layers in PS. Catalog them, print them, all fine. Draw a line in the sand when you are done parametric (instruction) based editing in LR or ACR, then pixel edit selectively in PS on layers etc, then you're done with all processing in LR/ACR. 

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    DavePinMinnAuthor
    Inspiring
    May 6, 2022

    I generally DON'T do multiple round trips.  But, it does happen, and thus, the question was asked. 

     

    So, can someone answer the original question about handling the situation when it does occur? 

    Is it necessary to close the image in Photoshop prior to editing the "Original" again?

    And for those who DO make more than one trip to Photoshop, do you use Edit a Copy or stay with Edit Original?

    Rob_Cullen
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    Rob_CullenCommunity Expert
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    May 7, 2022

    I always have the Auto write metadata ON because I use DNG, and I also want XMP written to rendered images, all in addition to the catalog. 

    See: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/metadata-basics-actions.html


    @DdeGannes 

    does the option "Automatically write metadata to xmp" have any part to play in this issue?

    Not in my experience with regards to the LrC<>Ps connection!

    I have that option turned off in preferences. I never (well very very rarely when experimenting) manually write XMP to files.

    @TheDigitalDog I place my trust in Catalog Backups.

     

     

    Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .
    D Fosse
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    D FosseCommunity Expert
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    May 5, 2022

    The underlying problem is that Lightroom doesn't support layers and can't read them.

     

    But if you have Photoshop set to "maximize compatibility", Photoshop will insert a flattened composite layer in the file, and this is what Lightroom reads and makes adjustments to.

     

    I'm not going into all the potential ramifications of repeated roundtrips, but understanding this basic mechanism makes it easier to follow what actually happens.

     

    Personally, I'm deeply skeptical to the whole concept of roundtripping between these two apps, because they operate so differently. I never do it (and frankly, I don't see why it would ever be necessary). Once the raw file is edited in Lightroom, the RGB file goes to Photoshop and all further RGB editing happens there. I know some people do go back and forth, and are apparently comfortable with it, but it clearly requires strict discipline.

     

    If the Lightroom controls are needed on the RGB file, I use the ACR filter, which accomplishes exactly the same thing.

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