Colour difference between Develop Mode and Library

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Jan 09, 2022 Jan 09, 2022

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Hi everyone! I`ve had this problem since one of the updates of LR for Mac in december`21. I`ve already read all the simillar topics here and I`ve already did everything suggested in comments, all the methods that helped the others.

 

I know that tthe diffeerence of colours is possible, because of different colour space in these modes (ProPhoto RGB and Adobe RGB), but all the way before I didn`t have any problem like this. Everything was perfect. 

 

The problem is that The colors look correctly in the Library mode (naturally, as they always were), the picture is loaded slightly in the Develop mode and the color distortion occurs, the feeling is as if there is some preset. The faded warm filter seems to be applied and I can't change it in any way, because in fact no settings were applied. I`ve already changed the colour profile of my monitor, on/off grafic processor, reinstalled all new and previous versions of LR, wrote to the customers support. Nothing helped. 

I need to pay specific attention, that in library mode the colours are true, in Develop mode they are false. I don`t need just to avoid the difference by deleting previews, in this case the colours just start look false in both mode. I need to correct this strange processing of colour of images. 

I exported them and saw on my phone, the colour is distorted. I compared screenshots on Mac and on Iphone, I can see this false colour on both devices.

 

I can`t work because of the problem. I really hope that you will help me 🙏🏻

 1st picture: Develop mode - false colours

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2nd picture: Library mode - true, natuural colours
 

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LEGEND ,
Jan 10, 2022 Jan 10, 2022

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The second screenshot, of Library Loupe, shows a message in the lower-right corner:

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Встроенный предварительный просмотр

 

That's the message that LR displays in Loupe when it is displaying the JPEG preview embedded in the photo by the camera. Google translates that as "Built-in preview", but LR in English displays it as "Embedded Preview".

 

The embedded preview is how the camera has rendered the raw photo, e.g. what it displays on its view screen.  In general, the embedded previews can appear much differently than the default way that LR renders the raw.

 

When you imported that photo into LR, you used the option File Handling > Build Previews: Embedded & Sidecar (or perhaps Minimal):

 

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Instead, you should use Standard, which will cause LR to build its own previews, more closely matching what you see in Develop.

 

For the existing photos that are showing Embedded Preview in Library Loupe, select them and do Library > Previews > Build Standard Previews. Now Develop and Library should be close matches.

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Thank you for the answer! I really appreciate that. 

But the problem is actually not in the diffrence, but in strange render of raw file by LR. I`ve already tried what you wrote, but the images become yellow and unsaturated now in both modes. 

 

I used Canon 70D before my Canon R and the images in develop mode were rendered the same way in Library and Develop. There was practically no difference between them in color. 

Now after import raws become yellow and unsaturated and I don`t think it is right pure colour for RAWs.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 10, 2022 Jan 10, 2022

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Another thing to do if the change from the embedded jpeg preview to the Lightroom rendering which only happens when you go into Develop if you have selected embedded previews in import, is to set the default for your camera to "camera Settings". This is done in Preferences->Presets. Doing so will (for the more popular cameras) make the default rendering pretty close to the in-camera jpeg rendering and minimize this change. It is just caused by the difference in how your camera intereprets raw data vs how Lightroom interprets raw data. There is no single standard but "camera Settings will attempt to approximate the in-camera rendering and might be less confusing.

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Thank you for the answer! 

 

I`ve already tried to do so, but it didn`t help. The color becomes more in-camera rendering alike only if I choose Camera Faithful v2 in Profile in Develop mode. But it is still unsaturated and with lots of magenta in Shadows. That`s the difference.

 

I already tried CR3 from Canon R and R5 and they open the same wrong way. I even tried to install LR from my Creative Cloud on the other Mac and it opened the same way as I wrote (yellow and unsaturated). So I can say that the problem is not in my camera or laptop. Maybe I should change some settings in lightroom and ACR, but it seems like I`ve already tried every setting🥲 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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How are you calibrating your display? It is essential that you use calibration hardware such as a colormunki, spyder X, etc. even on Mac computers.

 

Make sure your Lightroom Classic is completely updated. There were some problems with the camera matching profiles for EOS R cameras in older versions.

 

You will always see a difference between the camera preview and the rendering in Lightroom. Adobe does not use the canon raw engine. Every raw engine is different. You need to do a bit of editing on every image. 

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Calibration is OK, because I made printscreens and sent it to my phone and the colour was the same as on laptop + I read that when it happened because of wrong calibration of monitor histogramm also went yellow/brown in whites. 

I have the latest version and this problem appeared in october and december after I updated LR and PS. At that time they updated camera profiles for R series. 

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LEGEND ,
Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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"Calibration is OK, because I made printscreens and sent it to my phone and the colour was the same as on laptop"

 

That's not necessarily a reliable test of whether your Mac display is well-calibrated --- too many unspecified variables.  A hardware calibrator is by far the best way to ensure your display is calibrated.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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"I have the latest version"

 

Please do Help > System Info and tell us exactly what the first line says.  Unfortunately, over the years the Creative Cloud app has fooled many people into thinking they're on "the latest".

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LEGEND ,
Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Upload one of the problem raw photos to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.  Then we can all be on the same page with how LR is rendering the image on known well-calibrated displays and we'll be able to narrow down the source of your issue more efficiently.

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"Upload one of the problem raw photos to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.  Then we can all be on the same page with how LR is rendering the image on known well-calibrated displays and we'll be able to narrow down the source of your issue more efficiently."

 

There are some of my raws: https://disk.yandex.ru/d/gBvCRNTEtgzmtw

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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One thing that isn't clear from your original email is where the color change occurs. So in addition to posting a raw, can you tell us what happens after you import an image from the following two options:

 

1. When imported, the image looks like what you expect. Then when you shift to Develop it changes. When you go back out of Develop, the image changes back to looking good.

2. When imported, the image looks like what you expect. Then when you shift to Develop it changes. When you go back out of Develop, now the image also looks 'bad' in Library and will stay identical to the Develop image from now on.

 

If 1. you probably have a bad display profile

If 2. this is just caused by Adobe's different raw engine than your camera. If using Camera standard as the profile doesn't help you need to do slight edits or use a preset to get you closer to what you like. Which one of the images in your original posts you like best just comes down to taste and style which one you prefer. It should be easy to make the Develop image look like the original jpeg. If you shoot raw, you shouldn't expect your images to be perfect right away. The whole point of shooting raw is editing lattitude. 

 

 

 

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Actually both of variants are true: 

I import images => see them in Library in Embedded preview in right way => go to Develop mode, for a second the color of the image is ok, then it is like loading, and it becomes more yellow and less saturated 

then 

if I do some corrections (chage profile for example) the embedded preview in Library disappears and in both modes now there is wrong color. 

if I just switch the modes and the embedded preview does not dissappear - the color in Library is ok and in Develop is not.

 

The reason why I am concerned about this rendering of raw file is that for about a month I didn`t have any problem with raw files from this camera. Everything was OK with the color. There was little unsignificant difference in colour between modes and it wasn`t critical at all. 

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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It might not actually update the Library preview if you don't do anything in Develop. This really appears that what you are looking at is just the difference in rendering between Adobe's raw engine and Canon's raw engine. You should get very minimal difference if you import with camera settings enabled. You can also apply camera settings for already imported images from the preset area where there will be a camera settings preset.

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Took your raw and imported using the camera settings setting. switching between the embedded preview in Libary and then to Develop only shows a very minor shift. 

Library embedded preview:

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And this is after opening in Develop:

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These are virtually identical to my eyes. The develop endeing is slightly brighter in a few very limited areas (mostly just the bright forehead area) but that is only visible when I switch between the two screenshots. 

If I change to Adobe standard for the profile, you get this:

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This is much more yellow and succinctly different which is expected for using the different profile. Bottom line is that if you set your Lightroom to import using camera settings you should get basically identical rendering between the initial import and going into Develop.

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Jan 11, 2022 Jan 11, 2022

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Exactly the same, that I can see on my laptop. But for me there is a big difference. Thank you for your time and for your help 🙏🏻 My experience with Canon 70D raws was much better than CR3. Colors were just neutral and naturel, maybe I try to achieve something that is impossible. 

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These differences are much smaller than the potential error introduced by not calibrating your screen using calibration hardware. If you are not calibrating you shouldn't focus too much on these very small differences. The shift possibly introduced when you would calibrate is much larger.

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