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Controls uniformity across Creative Suite

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April 7, 2024
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Can someone explain why Adobe is not capable to implement controls uniformity across LRC, CR and PS? Why can't zoom and brushes use the same shorcuts and behaviour across those apps? This is beyond annoying and stupid.

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Lumigraphics

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You must be new here. Everytime that Adobe tries to change shortcut keys, there is a huge amount of screaming.

I personally have been using Photoshop since version 2.5 and yes its changed, you just have to keep up.

Oh and as for the comment about nobody being a photographer, I'm a working pro who started in photography 41 years ago. FWIW.

dj_paige

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Can someone explain why Adobe is not capable to implement controls uniformity across LRC, CR and PS?

By @Maruhana

They are not incapable of doing this. I'm sure their programmers could do this. It is a choice made by Adobe not to do this.

dj_paige

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I recommend (pretty please) that this discussion be moved to Ideas.

Conrad_C

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Some of that is due to history. Photoshop was originally designed in the early 1990s for the Mac, so many of its design decisions are based on the tool behaviors on that platform at that time.

Camera Raw came out in the mid-2000s and Lightroom in 2007. By then things had changed a lot, so the designers of those apps took advantage of some newer thinking. But Photoshop did not change, because if they did, all the people who had been using it since 1990 would complain.

They could bring in a software dictator and force all programs to work the same. That might be nice, but it will anger some who do not want to re-learn how to do things. That is a big part of the problem. Different people will be angry no matter what they do. One group will be unhappy if they change Photoshop to be like Lightroom, another group will be unhappy if they change Lightroom to be like Photoshop. In fact people will be unhappy even if they change nothing, which is what they currently do…and you are unhappy with that. 🙂

Yes, they could also put in some options to let you choose which way you want to do it. But they try not to do that very often, because as things keep changing, by the year 2050 there will be 200 settings just for letting you make various features work the old way or the new way, and they would like to avoid that complexity.

It's not an easy problem to solve, it affects just about all software companies above a certain age. Some companies decide to blow up everything and start over with a modernized interface unified across all apps and devices…and that always makes people angry; Apple has gone through that.

MaruhanaAuthor

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Yes, I understand the history, however, for a multibillion company it should not be a problem to implement a setting "use Photoshop zoom and brushes" option. There is no need to remove the present behaviour for the ones who like it. We have this use "new" or "old" even in Adobe apps already. Also, standardising the behaviour would be an investment in the future, not a hindrance, as future changes could be made across the pixel apps. The reality is that there is probably some kind of disconnect and lack of strategy between their project teams. Pitty.

MaruhanaAuthor

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I agree that this situation is far from ideal, but the problem is that solving it will also be far from ideal. Let's take a practical example. In Photoshop the crop tool shortcut is 'C', in Lightroom Classic it is 'R'. So in one app this must change. If the crop tool shortcut in Lightroom Classic is changed to 'C', then this does not only mean that Lightroom Classic users will have to get used to the new shortcut, it also means that the shortcut for Compare view must change, because that is currently 'C'. I'm sure that will piss off more Lightroom Classic users than please Lightroom Classic users because the crop tool short cut is now consistent with Photoshop...

You guys are not photographers I guess. A huge percentage of photos developed by LrC or CR goes to be edited further in PS. Also, both apps are in the Photo Suite etc ... Those are 2 steps of the same process for the majority. I am baffled you guys are not aware of that.

Anyway, this is a futile conversation.

DdeGannes

Community Expert

Lightroom Classic is an alternative to Camera Raw and Bridge, they both provide the ability to render RAW images the major difference is with LrC the info is stored in the Catalog file and Camera Raw stores info with the image utilizing XMP sidecars for the RAW files. and cannot read or write to the Catalog.

Make a choice, use one or the other.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

MaruhanaAuthor

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I thank you but this info has no value or relation to what I am emphasizing. Also, in both cases, there is the same problem. LrC and CR do follow the same tools protocols while PS does not. Most photographers will use one of the RAW developers and PS which means the workflow is not streamlined as it is, btw, in Affinity.

dj_paige

Legend

I think you are beating a dead horse here. Maybe you should post in "Ideas" and follow these guidelines: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/how-do-i-write-a-feature-request/idi-p/12386378

dj_paige

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This simply wasn't part of the design process.

MaruhanaAuthor

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That is simply exactly the flaw what should be corrected.

dj_paige

Legend

I'm not sure that Adobe considers it a "flaw". I doubt such a change will happen.

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