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creating groups of keywords

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May 5, 2021
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I am trying to learn about keywording. I have lists of keywords for people and also for other objects.

I realise that it is much easier to create groupings of keywords for people or thing that commonly go together as this facilitates loading it into the metadata.

As I would am preparing to create a number of these groupings, it would be easier if they were all together in some place where I can select them..So far I have not found such a solution It seems that with people grouping they are placed in the same list as the individual identifiers.. I have therefore been exploring using names like the beginnin of the telephone directory such as aaamyfirs group. This seems very clumsy and I would like advice on how to solve this problem.

Thanks

Terence

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Correct answer Rob_Cullen

I apologies for the misspelling of your name

Terence

the number of identified photos

You must first identify, and show in Grid View, ALL photos with the 'wrong' KW, by clicking on the white arrow that appears at the end of a KW.

Then press [Ctrl +A] to be sure you select all that you want to 'convert' to the 'correct' KW. Other than that I am not sure why you see a difference.

No Name apology needed! My son indroduced my nik-name when he called me "Wobert the Wave Rat" (paddled a surf-ski with that brand at the time).

Robert Cullen 🙂

@MNiessenPhoto

Legend

Hi,

You can have keywords inside keywords, thus effectively acting like folders and subfolders, and for each keyword the possibility to uncheck the "include on export" option.

Personally, I have ~what, ~when, ~where, ~who, etc... as main categories (I always use ~ in front of keywords/folders that are just for organizing and will not be exported).

~what is further subdivided into ~objects, ~animals, ~vegetation, and so on... Within animals I have among others birds (it is exported, so no ~) and within it pigeon, hawk, sparrow,...

Now, for assigning groups of keywords at once (or quickly), there are a few options. You can create keywords sets (in the Library's keywording panel) containing up to 9 keywords each. Just open one of those and you'll have butttons for the corresponding 9 keywords. Quite useful, as is also the "Painter" option in the toolbar (type one or more keywords and then "spray paint" them on the pictures). And of course, you can also create metadata presets that contain keyword sets for specific topics.

Hope that helps,

Michael

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Michael Niessen - Photographer, photo-editor, educator

Photo-editing (Ps/Lr/LrC) and photography workshops & one-on-one training (off- and online)

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sockitAuthor

Inspiring

p.s. Michael. I am still figuring out the Keywording Panel. I was wondering whether they can be used for creating different combinations of participants such as Joe,Mary,Allen,Fred Joe,Allen Mary Fred etc

I am fighing with the fact tha Lightroom can't handle negativess in its face recognition, and I am therefore trying to do it manually.. Also can I create any number of panels like this?

Thanks

Terence

@MNiessenPhoto

Legend

HI Michael I would really like to thank you and Wobert for your kind help. Everything is becoming sorted and I am now testing it on the catalogue. I have followed your advice on the names of people. It was easy to do and does make it easier to work with related groups. Is there any way of collapsing misspelt names into the correct one. It is embarrassing to see my typing mistakes preservved as a subset underneath the correct one? I am interested in how you use stock keywords and attributes. You have some very ways of sorting your images.Though I would understand if you don't want to divulge them. I still haven't seen the people keyword in my "ALL" list I think my early use of the "people" and "other" sorting seems to have just eliminated it. However it doesn't matter as I keep the two lists separate. I use as far as possible using face recognition to load the People list..except for using a manual system to identify people in the negatives. I am hoping that this will be exported in the usual way. The main thing is that the system is useable and solid. Thanks you you and Woberth.

Terence

You're welcome, Terence!

No secrets here... Stock photography just contains keywords that are not classified yet. I copied my keywords list from LrC to Bridge, where I do most of the keywording for Adobe Stock (that another topic entirely), but those I enter that do not exist yet are simply outside of my classification and I put them there until I can organize them.

Attribute is just one part of a complete (and complex) hierarchy, and it contains other sub-sections such as genre, age, number, color, material, etc... (i.e. things that is not in What because they are intangible). For instance, a gray concrete wall will have the keyword wall in What, but gray and concrete will be in their respective places within Attribute.

I'm the first to admit that I don't set every single possible keywords within my huge list, far from it, because it takes way too much time, but I do try to add at least one or two relevant ones, then refine when I feel like it (not very often 😉 ).

"I am hoping that this will be exported in the usual way."

You can check exactly what keywords will be exported (including synonyms) by selecting the "will export" option:

Michael

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Michael Niessen - Photographer, photo-editor, educator

Photo-editing (Ps/Lr/LrC) and photography workshops & one-on-one training (off- and online)

Rob_Cullen

Community Expert

I use the Groups like Who, What, Where, etc- (I slip up occasionally with an extra one in the 'parent' list!

I have one 'Parent' group dedicated to any new KW that does not match an existing KW- It will automatically be added to this Group-

("#NEW KEYWORDS" appears at the top of the list because @#$% characters sort before ABCD characters.)

And I have nominated the "WHO#" group to be for all keywords marked as 'Person' KWs.

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.0, Photoshop 27.0, ACR 18.0, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0 .

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sockitAuthor

Inspiring

Hi Wobert. Thanks that is clearly the key to the problem I really appreciate your help. I have made the Whats and Wheres classify not as persons but as Others. However there is not much written about that group. I cannot find a separated display for that grouping so they are out there somewhere and I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. You seem to treat them as persons in that list is that correct? What is the point of the "Others"?

Thanks

Terence

kentdesign

Community Expert

HI, GOing to try to figure that one out - I have never found a solution to date!

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