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Edits & Masks not saved in DNG format

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December 28, 2021
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I recently returned from an African trip with 20,000 images imported into LR v.10.x. All had import presets, "core" keywords added, and conversion to DNG. I did some minor deletions, cropping, and luminance edits and had everything backed up on an external hard drive.

As per my usual workflow, I copied all of the images from the external drive into my home PC LR catalog. All was fine and I started my detailed editing and culling of images. LR v.11 came out so I updated and LOVED the new masking features. I up-dated to v.11.0.1 and v.11.1 when available. By then I had hundreds of hours in editing, using the new masking, and adding detailed key words.

Then, I copied the DNG images and LR catalog to a second external hard drive for off-site storage. To my shock, NONE of the v.11 image edits or new key words were in the copied DNG images. I tried creating a new catalog, exporting as a catalog, importing from the original catalog but none of the edits or key words are present in the copied DNG files. If I export the images (very, very slow process) all of the edits and key words are in both DNG files and JPEGs.

Today Adobe said "Oops, we have a problem."

Any ideas on how to have a safe back-up until Adobe correct the issue in the next version update???

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dj_paige

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By default, Lightroom Classic does not write your edits to DNG.

Any ideas on how to have a safe back-up until Adobe correct the issue in the next version update???

So, not a bug, working as designed, not going to be "fixed" — the user has to turn on an option to write edits to DNG.

Also, XMP is not a backup.

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

>Then, I copied the DNG images and LR catalog to a second external hard drive for off-site storage. To my shock, NONE of the v.11 image edits or new key words were in the copied DNG images.

You need to save the metadata and edits to DNG (Save Metadata to files found in Library Metadata menu) or have Auto Save to XMP enabled in Catalog Settings.

Creating a new catalog from the images doesn't help because the missing masks are stored in a supplementary catalog file ending '.lrcat-data' stored alongside the original catalog file.

dj_paige

Legend

Creating a new catalog from the images doesn't help because the missing masks are stored in a supplementary catalog file ending '.lrcat-data' stored alongside the original catalog file.

I think Adobe has figured this out too. When you create a new catalog, the lrcat-data is copied to the new catalog.

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lorendnAuthor

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I recently returned from an African trip with 20,000 images imported into LR v.10.x. All had import presets, "core" keywords added, and conversion to DNG. I did some minor deletions, cropping, and luminance edits and had everything backed up on an external hard drive.

As per my usual workflow, I copied all of the images from the external drive into my home PC LR catalog. All was fine and I started my detailed editing and culling of images. LR v.11 came out so I updated and LOVED the new masking features. I up-dated to v.11.0.1 and v.11.1 when available. By then I had hundreds of hours in editing, using the new masking, and adding detailed key words.

Then, I copied the DNG images and LR catalog to a second external hard drive for off-site storage. To my shock, NONE of the v.11 image edits or new key words were in the copied DNG images. I tried creating a new catalog, exporting as a catalog, importing from the original catalog but none of the edits or key words are present in the copied DNG files. If I export the images (very, very slow process) all of the edits and key words are in both DNG files and JPEGs.

Why do the DNG edits not show outside of LR?

DdeGannes

Community Expert

At lorendn, you stated,

“Why do the DNG edits not show outside of LR?”

The only application that can read those LrC edits is another Lightroom app or Adobe Camera Raw plugin for Photoshop, provided the edits have been written to the file.

The above is relevant when you directly open the image file with the second application.

When you use the edit in function from LrC to send a file to Photoshop and the Lightroom / Camera Raw plugin are in sync the the image will be re dered automatically in PS with Lightroom edits. While you work in PS you are using a rendered file with all Lr edits and a tiff / PSD file will be created when you save.

When you use edit in function to Send a file to a third party application e.g. Topaz Labs, a rendered image is sent to the application with or without the Lr edits dependent on the choice you make, a tiff file is saved in Lr and will get updated when the third party application edits have been saved.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

DdeGannes

Community Expert

Denis - Again, thank you for your comments. I, also, have been using LR since V.2 and have taught dozens of classes to beginner and advanced photographers. I have done hundreds of back-ups on multiple external drives and computers.

As I mentioned, the new problem with V.11.x is that information is missing from the DNG files. Every edit and keyword I added in Africa using V.10 on my travel laptop is in the DNGs and viewable from almost any application. My edits and keywords added since V.11 was installed in my desktop machine show ONLY in LR or in EXPORTS from LR and are not available in the DNG files as has always been the case.

If I open an edited DNG file now from any viewing program, only the original edits show up unless I export the file from LR. That is my confusion.

Are you using Lightroom Classic on your Travel Laptop?

Two thoughts, LrC does not sync to LrC on another computer and if you are using Lr the new version I do not believe keywords sync from this Lightroom app and mobile apps. Not certain since I do not use the new cloud centric application on my computer.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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