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January 30, 2018
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Edits in lightroom not showing in original file

  • January 30, 2018
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Recently, any edits made in lightroom no longer show in original files despite xmp being created. This is for all file types. Canon RAW, jpg and dng. Any suggestions?

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    jamesa99259763  wrote

    So an edit is made in lightroom to an image, then by my understanding those changes are written into the metadata of the original file. Then I open the original file at its source expecting to see the original image with the changes made by lightroom.

    Changes may or may not get written automatically out to the metadata of the original file, as each new edit happens - this depends on how LR is configured. They are NOT, by initial as-installed default.

    Even if that's not happening automatically, you can manually tell LR - on demand - to write latest changes out to the metadata of the original file, for specific image(s).

    None of that applies though, if the image in question is a virtual copy. But regardless, the Catalog remembers all this metadata.

    The metadata that is written out consists partly of Library module stuff (keywords, copyright, title etc) and partly of Develop module stuff.

    By and large the Library module stuff is readable by other non-Adobe programs - but the Develop module stuff is either not understood by non-Adobe programs and therefore ignored - or if used, will not reliably display the same results that it would have done within Adobe software.

    When Adobe software opens an image and detects that Develop type metadata had previously been written to that, it will generally speaking then interpret that metadata and display an image which transforms the original image data into your chosen edited appearance, according to those saved instructions.

    So that would happen if you opened a Raw file (for example) which had previously been edited in LR, and had the edits saved to file as metadata, into Photoshop via ACR.

    Or (if PS is set to do that, which is not necessarily the case) the same thing might happen on opening a JPG into Photoshop which had previously been edited in LR and then had those edits saved to file as metadata. If PS is set not to interpret XMP develop data when opening a JPG, you will just see the original image without the LR edits. A little like, if you sent an image from LR to PS and chose the option "Edit Orginal" rather than "Edit a Copy with LR Adjustments".

    But the vast majority of image viewing programs and non-Adobe editors or Raw converters etc, will simply pay no attention to the Develop (image adjustments) aspect, of previously saved metadata from Lightroom.

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    Participating Frequently
    January 30, 2018

    So an edit is made in lightroom to an image, then by my understanding those changes are written into the metadata of the original file. Then I open the original file at its source expecting to see the original image with the changes made by lightroom.

    dj_paige
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    January 30, 2018

    jamesa99259763  wrote

    So an edit is made in lightroom to an image, then by my understanding those changes are written into the metadata of the original file. 

    This is not the default operation of Lightroom. The edits are written into the metadata of the original file only if you specifically tell LR to do so, by either selecting the photo(s) and then Ctrl-S; or by turning on the option to automatically write changes into XMP, which according to your screen capture above it is turned on.

    Then I open the original file at its source expecting to see the original image with the changes made by lightroom.

    Again, I urge greater specificity here ... "open the original file at its source" meaning what? What software, what steps, how are you looking for the "changes", what do you see or not see??

    Is it possible there are two different copies of a photo on your hard disk(s), and you are opening one copy while Lightroom is writing to the other copy? Please, before you tell me that this can't happen, do a search for one of these files by file name, use your operating system's search feature to search all hard disk(s) by file name.

    Participating Frequently
    January 30, 2018

    yes, as indicated in the screen shot the options to automatically write to xmp and include develop settings inside metadata are turned on. What I mean by the source, is that I open the file from at the location referenced in Lightroom in the file explorer. I then open that file with a different program to lightroom but none of the changes saved in the metadata can be seen. I have searched the whole pc (two drives) for multiple copies of various photos and it always results in the one copy that lightroom references.

    elie_dinur
    Participating Frequently
    January 30, 2018
    Recently, any edits made in lightroom no longer show in original files despite xmp being created.

    Absolutely. Always has been that way. LR never changes original files. That is why the edits are saved in the catalog database and, optionally, in xmps. Only an application that can read and implement the xmp data will apply the edits, so that means primarily Adobe products. To obtain image files that have been rendered with the edits, you have to export a whole new file.

    Participating Frequently
    January 30, 2018

    Surely if the include develop settings in metadata inside JPEG,TIFF<PNG and PSD files and by writing changes into XMP this is editing the metadata of the original file. I could swear it was behaving as mentioned unitl a few weeks ago.

    dj_paige
    Legend
    January 30, 2018

    Technically, the statement by Elie_Di

    LR never changes original files.

    is not correct. The correct statement is that Lightroom never changes the image portion of your original files. So your original pixels are never modified. It does change the metadata portion of the files, if you instruct LR to do so (it does not do this by default).

    Per Berntsen
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    January 30, 2018

    Are you talking about exported images?

    If you have chosen Original under Image Format in the export dialog, the original unedited file will be exported.

    Choose jpg, psd or tiff, and the edits will be included.