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Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x

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March 6, 2012
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Anyone else notice that lightroom 4 is slow? Ligtroom 3 always ran fast on my system but Lightroom 4 seemlingly lags quite a bit.

My system is:

2.10 ghz Intel Core i3 Sandy Bridge

8 GB Ram

640 GB Hard Drive

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit

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Correct answer Victoria Bampton LR Queen

It's now impossible to see the wood for the trees in this whopping 43-page long thread. Many of the original 4.0-4.2 performance issues have since been resolved, and it's impossible to figure out who is still having problems, and what they can try.

I've started a nice clean thread to continue this discussion for 4.3 and later. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1117506 Thanks to Bob_Peters for the suggestion. I'm locking this one, otherwise it'll continue to get increasingly unweidly, but please feel free to continue existing discussions on the new thread.

Victoria Bampton LR Queen

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It's now impossible to see the wood for the trees in this whopping 43-page long thread. Many of the original 4.0-4.2 performance issues have since been resolved, and it's impossible to figure out who is still having problems, and what they can try.

I've started a nice clean thread to continue this discussion for 4.3 and later. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1117506 Thanks to Bob_Peters for the suggestion. I'm locking this one, otherwise it'll continue to get increasingly unweidly, but please feel free to continue existing discussions on the new thread.

Victoria - The Lightroom Queen

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ronda@gregoriophotography

Participant

I just upgraded to Lightroom 4 last week and I am very unhappy with how slow it is running. What a pain! Should be great software but it is not :-( I waited this long for Lightroom 4 thinking the problem would have been solved, I was wrong! Lightroom 4 is annoying!

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Shizam1

Participant

I have a new build that LR is struggling on...

My system:

Intel i7-3930K - a 6 core 3.2 GHZ CPU

32 GB RAM

2 GB NVidia video card

240GB Intel SSD

2 X 3TB WD RED drives mirrored

This machine gets a 7.6 on the Windows Experience Index.

Some things I've noticed - When generating previews, LR seems to barely use the CPU. When bringing up lightroom, it takes 10-20 seconds to display images on the screen. When clicking on a new image, it shows "Loading" for 8-12 seconds. And it seems to not keep the previews. If I stop/start lightroom, the behavior repeats.

I have the Cache and catalogs on the mirrored drives, but the Cache directory is empty anyway and nothing is being put into it.

If I'm sluggishly going through photos, the CPU will stay very low, then all of a sudden all CPU's will spike and start doing stuff, and going through photos goes faster.

I'm going to try removing all the .LRData files tonight...

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bob frost

Inspiring

From: "Shizam1

Some things I've noticed - When generating previews, LR seems to barely
use the CPU. When bringing up lightroom, it takes 10-20 seconds to
display images on the screen. When clicking on a new image, it shows
"Loading" for 8-12 seconds. And it seems to not keep the previews. If I
stop/start lightroom, the behavior repeats.> I'm going to try removing all
the .LRData files tonight...
I have the Cache and catalogs on the mirrored drives, but the Cache
directory is empty anyway and nothing is being put into it.

Yes, delete the previews folder including the previews, previews.db and

rootpixels.db, clear the acr cache, and then rebuild fresh previews. I have

more or less the same setup, and mine runs fine with 4.3, so there is

something wrong in your system. I note you say nothing is being put into

your acr cache. Delete the existing folder and create a new cache folder

from within LR (Edit/Prefs/FileHandling) or let it use its default cache

folder in your system drive.

Bob Frost

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Jao vdL

Community Expert

Next to Bob's advice make sure you check the permissions on all those

folders whether the user you run Lightroom as has write access to them.

Also be careful with antivirus software.

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KKuja

Participating Frequently

I have been very sceptic about LR 4. I tried 4.0 and it was sluggish. I partially blamed my old machine (1) and thought, oh well, no more new LRs for me. Today I tried LR 4.2 (because I was too lazy to get RC 4.3) just to see how slow it is. To my surprise it was usable. Very close to 3.6, which I have mainly been using.

I tried LR 4.2 with only fairly small amount of pictures, so I have to continue testing it. Also, I did very basic editing, without any localized adjustments. But I think I will try to use it with the next patch of images I process. Anyway, this was psotivie surprise to me.

(1) Macbook4,1. Core 2 duo 2,4 GHz, 4GB RAM. OS X 1.6.8. Images were from Nikon D700.

JP Hess

Inspiring

Here is what I don't understand about this whole performance issue. I have used Lightroom on four different computers, two of them were 32 bit and two of them are 64 bit. I will admit that performance was a little sluggish on the 32 bit computers, but it wasn't really intolerable. All of the computers have been pretty much what you would call "plain vanilla" computers; no high-end graphics cards, no SSD drives, all just basically off the shelf computers. My new Windows 7 64 bit computer is just using integrated video, 8 GB Ram, but other than that there is really nothing out of the ordinary (if you can call that out of the ordinary). This new computer has no problems whatsoever with Lightroom. New images are downloaded and previews are built so quickly that I hardly even see the progress bar. I keep expecting to encounter the problems a lot of others seem to be having, but I just haven't seen it.

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andreas603

Participating Frequently

Jim, *most* performance issues are not related to speed of import or preview build time during that import. They occur during subsequent editing..in Lib or Dev tabs with Exp, Lum, spot healing, image redraw when scrolling, etc. They also occur during image re-draws after scrolling or zooming. I think its an over simplification that you can draw any conclusions from simply comparing 32 vs 64bit systems.... This can easily get lost on anyone joining this monsterous thread...Its been noted many times.

Pete.Green

Community Manager

Hi all,

We have put together a technote containing several less traditional suggestions for optimizing Lightroom's performance that we hope will help.

http://adobe.ly/LRPerformHints

Let us know which of these suggestions are helpful to you. Thanks everyone!

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Bob_Peters

Inspiring

How about starting a new thread with this as the lead article? Your comments are going to get lost in this monster.

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DaleusAtUPEI

Participant

I've read page after page of suggestions on how to improve performance, and I've noted a number of things to try. I am working on a client's machine and so can't provide immediate feedback.

I have not seen any mention of my client's problem, but then again, I haven't read every page of responses here - the backbiting is just way too vicious - and my eyes are getting tired. So here is a quick summary of my client's issue and I hope someone can suggest some reasonable solutions:

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When typing in a dialog or other text field within the program, LR often suffers from some sort of "outage" as it "goes to sleep" for 15 to 20 seconds. Sometimes, Windows 7 even displays the partly opaque "white screen", which generally indicates the system is trying to cope with demands on the system.

During the outage, the system continues to capture keystrokes as evidenced when it comes back to life - all keystrokes captured during the outage are subsequently shown in the text field.

Original observations led me to conclude that something like Windows Indexing might be playing a part - the behaviour very much looks as though the system is struggling to index something or struggling to search an index of something, perhaps a repository of auto-name-completion information. It's difficult to explain.

In order to eliminate some of the typical Windows irritations, a number of configuration changes have been made, but none have made a difference.

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I don't know if this is even remotely related to the issues that other folks have talked about in this thread. Frankly, there are dozens of responses that seem to have nothing to do with LightRoom issues and more to do with finger pointing. There *was* a post that suggested there is a more "official" Adobe thread as opposed to this "User to User" thread, but my eyes are practically bleeding from trying to sift through some of the nonsense here.

If someone could direct me to that thread, or if someone could provide a direct and helpful answer, I would be grateful.

Dale

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dwterry

Known Participant

I assume this text entry you are talking about is when entering a keyword?

I too suffer a similar delay (and probably about the same 10-15 seconds). It happens to me during the Import Dialog where I type in the keywords for the entire import. It is so bad that I hardly use this feature any more so I just haven't said anything about it. I believe it started with 4.2RC. I don't think it existed in 4.1 or any prior release.

One thing I should point out, I have well over 400,000 images in my catalog. There are, of course, new ones since LR 4.x came out, but not so many as to explain such a drastic slow down.

The rest of LR 4.2 (final release) and LR 4.3RC is functioning quite well for me. So by avoiding the keywords I'm generally failry happy with LR's performance at this point.

Todd Shaner

Legend

I have NO DOUBT there are a number of people experiencing problems with LR4, but I suspect it's going to get increasingly difficult to interest Adobe in the severity...

Last night, at one of the Lightroom User group meetings I asked the following question: "For those of you that are using LR4, who previously used an earlier version of Lightroom, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE PERCEIVING ANY DECREASE IN PERFORMANCE WITH LR4."

The room contained approximately 50 Lightroom users, running both Windows and various Macs. Of this ENTIRE group, only TWO people raised their hands. A further inquiry on my part STILL elicited no additional users who admitted to having performance issues.

Since most of these people are serious enough to go to user group meetings and ask questions (I'm familiar with many of the attendees and know they're doing pretty serious post-processing and extensively using LR), I have no reason to believe that any of the other were encountering issues.

The presenter, Rick Flohr, ran his entire session using LR 4.3 on a 4-year-old 13-inch Mac Book. Apparently, not even a Mac Book Pro. Dual core, 4GB of memory, and ONE 5400 rpm disk... Using a small catalog, he demonstrated very snappy performance of sliders, loaded Canon 5D images quickly, created 1:1 previews with reasonable speed, and demonstrated both sharpening and noise reduction with very little lag time. He hasn't even found it necessary to use the fast load 'cause images load "pretty fast". He even loaded an image from a Nikon D800 and demonstrated standard develop settings including lens corrections, noise reduction, and sharpening...

I'm reluctant to draw any conclusion from these admittedly anecdotal events, but it seems to me that if you're on a box that runs well, be happy. If not, as was said earlier, you're screwed 'cause Adobe has priorities other than fixing performance issues for a small minority of users.

davepinminn wrote:
I have NO DOUBT there are a number of people experiencing problems with LR4, but I suspect it's going to get increasingly difficult to interest Adobe in the severity...
Last night, at one of the Lightroom User group meetings I asked the following question: "For those of you that are using LR4, who previously used an earlier version of Lightroom, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE PERCEIVING ANY DECREASE IN PERFORMANCE WITH LR4."
The room contained approximately 50 Lightroom users, running both Windows and various Macs. Of this ENTIRE group, only TWO people raised their hands. A further inquiry on my part STILL elicited no additional users who admitted to having performance issues.

This pretty much confirms the analysis I did of the 'Views' versus 'Replies' for this post:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4801433#4801433

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: the actual number of LR users with significant performance issues is probably no more than 1.7% to 3.3%.

Two people raising there hands in a group of 50 LR users represents 4.0% for this small but very valid sampling group. At all the user group meetings I've attended (not specifcally Adobe's) the highest turnout were always the "complainers" and the "praiser," strongly indicating there aren't that many people (by-the-numbers) with major LR4 issues.

areohbee

Legend

Lr4.3RC any better?

PS - Has anybody in New Jersey or Portland taken trshaner or Brett N up on their offers?

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ChristianDembowski

Participating Frequently

Rob Cole wrote:
Lr4.3RC any better?

I doubt it but you never know. It worries me that "performance issues" aren't even mentioned in the list of bug fixes.

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beautiful_writer15A8

Participating Frequently

Well...for me it is better. NOT the best thing since sliced bread...but definitley noticable. It's now what I would consider "not irritating-usable." Which is to say that the lag on the sliders is just about gone under most circumstances, and the time between switching images is fast enough where I don't get irritated..(2 seconds) and when applying presets they take effect in a reasonable length of time (3 seconds).

No...it's not optimum...I'd like it to be better but clearly they've done SOMETHING to enhance it a bit.

I have been been VERY vocal about my displeasure of the poor performance of LR4 and now I'd like to be just as clear that they seem to be taking steps to improve it.

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James Atwood

Participating Frequently

I've finally solved the Lightroom 4 develop module speed issues! The answer was right under my nose all along.. spend thousands of dollars!! I can't believe I didn't think of that earlier. It now runs great with the following:

- Intel Core i7 3930K 6-core sandy bridge CPU on the new LGA2011 fitting, with a basic overclock to 4.2ghz

- Antec Kuhler 920 liquid cpu cooler

- Rampage IV extreme motherboard, featuring lga2011 fitting and 8 slots for ram

- 32gb of ram

- AMD Radeon HD 6950 gpu, which allows me to connect my 4 monitors simultaneously

- One OCZ Vertex 4 SSD drive with windows 7 64-bit installed on it

- One OCZ Vertex 4 SSD drive with my catalog on it

Remember, AHCI or RAID mode must be configured in bios before you install windows to take advantage of the 6gb/s SSD drive connectors!

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Scholle Images

Participant

Hey all, Mike here. New to the forum, and recently became aware of LR4 performance issues only by reading about them.

I downloaded LR4 trial from adobe a couple weeks ago onto my aging Intel Core2 Quad Q6700 at 2.66 GHz. It's Win 7 with 4 gig RAM, onboard Intel Q35 graphics chipset, and running 32-bit.

I hate to say it, but it's running flawlessly so far, and the sliders work in real-time with no lag. I exported 200 NEF files to JPG in about 13-14 minutes last night after applying user presets to them.

Now the reason for this is NOT to brag. I have read on some other forums that there are other "old" dual and quad core intel boxes that run this software fine. I don't know why, and I don't know if it's all of them. I read somewhere else that one person identified it as anything other than ATI graphics cards that are slowing it - but I don't think that's the case.

Why am I saying all this? Because I actually cancelled an order for an iMac after reading about all these performance issues. Yes, I was excited to to have a new 27" i5, but now it's not going to happen. I'll buy another drive for my existing system and likely purchase LR4 to continue using it on a 3 or 4 year old system.

I *want* Adobe to fix it because I'd love to be able to justify the new iMac. And since I've experienced LR4.1 without any issues, I know it's possible. There has to be a common component (hardware) for why so many are having this problem. (IMHO)

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Jao vdL

Community Expert

Scholle Images,

to place this in perspective, I have run LR 4 on a C2D machine since it came out and had no issues whatsoever. I am now running it on a retina Mac Book Pro with a Core i7 and it runs flawlessly and super fast. I would like some more support for the retina display than the accidental support LR has in Library (just conincidental I think) but apart from that it is just fine. I see no reason to think that it would not run as well on a new iMac. I don't want to shove the problems of the people that are having issues under the rug, but you are unlikley to experience similar issues. I doubt any vanilla, out-of-the box Mac that is not bogged down with crappy antivirus software will experience any issues.

rmherzog

Participant

LR4.0 and 4.1 is very, very slow. I can't believe that Adobe has done nothing to improve the speed issues since the release of LR4 and LR4.1

I think Adobe is feeling that all that pros that use LR, will go away and use some other program, perhaps Capture One from Phase One, I'm going to try it. LR 4.1 is slowing us (professionals) down to a crawl with production. It is no longer an application that can be used in a professional production workflow. It is at best, an application for the joe consumer that shoots jpegs, not RAW.

I'm using a new MacPro with these specs.

processor 2 x 2.66 GHZ 6-core Intel Xeon = 12 cores

memory 48GB 1333MHz DDR3

graphics ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024MB

startup drive is a 2TB 7200rpm with 1.65TB of free space

areohbee

Legend

I think it would help to quantify.

For people who have fairly normal performance (but its still slow), it may help to use

EditInLightroom if you have bunches of very hi-rez files to process. How well will it work for people who've abnormal performance? - dunno.

~R.

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AndreaThomasNC

Participant

I have Windows 7 64 bit and 8GB RAM - and LR4 is slow. LR3 was great on this system, and if I change the process version back to 2010, it's fast, but obviously that defeats the whole purpose of upgrading to LR4. Brushes and spot healing tool are almost unusable for me.

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