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singalis
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December 6, 2017
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EXPORTING RAW FILES WITHOUT DEVELOP DETAILS?

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A private client has asked for a RAW file and I'm happy for him to purchase this, but I don't want the modifications I made to date to be visible to him.  I have a feeling that might be impossible, or is it?  I don't want to give him the original completely unedited RAW file.

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singalis  wrote

A private client has asked for a RAW file and I'm happy for him to purchase this, but I don't want the modifications I made to date to be visible to him.  I have a feeling that might be impossible, or is it?  I don't want to give him the original completely unedited RAW file.

There's a conflict here - you don't want to hand over the unedited file, but you don't want the "modifications" (LR slider values?) to be visible. You just can't do both.

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Just Shoot Me
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December 6, 2017

singalis  wrote

A private client has asked for a RAW file and I'm happy for him to purchase this, but I don't want the modifications I made to date to be visible to him.  I have a feeling that might be impossible, or is it?  I don't want to give him the original completely unedited RAW file.

If he is willing to PAY for the original RAW files I see no reason not to give him a copy of them. You have already been paid for the work and I guess you will be getting an extra payment for the unedited RAW files. Even if this request is not for an extra payment. He paid for the work already.

I don't see the problem. As long as you retain a copy of them.

singalis
singalisAuthor
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December 6, 2017

He paid for the photo shoot, not for the files - I offer a digital package but they had not chosen that, so he has to pay for individual files, which is fine.

Just Shoot Me
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December 6, 2017

singalis  wrote

He paid for the photo shoot, not for the files - I offer a digital package but they had not chosen that, so he has to pay for individual files, which is fine.

So once he pays for the originals you have no problem sending them to him, correct?

As a Pro I hope you do a backup of original files before you start any editing and even before, or just after, importing them into LR.

Just give him a copy of the backups. That way no edits or modified date will show.

dj_paige
Legend
December 6, 2017

I must be misunderstanding some of the answers above.

If you just send the client a copy of the RAW image, none of your edits are contained in this file. (Do not send the xmp file) The edits are never written to the RAW. No virtual copies or exports are needed here.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
December 6, 2017

If he wants RAW files just send him a copy of the originals. It doesn't matter whether a modified date shows in them. Any and all adjustments you have done are stored in the LR Catalog file and without that specific catalog file none of the adjustment will show up. And even if you write change to XMP and you send them with the files he would need the same version of LR and or ACR to see what edits you did.

john beardsworth
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john beardsworthCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
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December 6, 2017

singalis  wrote

A private client has asked for a RAW file and I'm happy for him to purchase this, but I don't want the modifications I made to date to be visible to him.  I have a feeling that might be impossible, or is it?  I don't want to give him the original completely unedited RAW file.

There's a conflict here - you don't want to hand over the unedited file, but you don't want the "modifications" (LR slider values?) to be visible. You just can't do both.

singalis
singalisAuthor
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December 6, 2017

This is what I suspected I just hoped I was wrong!  So I can't let him have the edited version of the raw file without the client seeing the steps I took to get there (including LR presets etc).  I don't usually give RAW files, so this is an unusual request from a client who likes photoshopping, so wants to have that possibility I guess.  It's not like it's a commercial photo shoot, just a family shoot.  I'm just being a little oversensitive to my work!  Or  I could just say he can only have a hi-res jpeg.  Which is what I should have said I guess.  Clients don't understand why you don't want to give original files, or why you make them pay so much for digital files!

Thanks everyone for your input. 

dj_paige
Legend
December 6, 2017

singalis  wrote

So I can't let him have the edited version of the raw file without the client seeing the steps I took to get there (including LR presets etc).

As far as I know, this is totally wrong. There is NO edited version of your RAW. Your RAW never changes. It never contains your edits.

If you send a copy of the original RAW file to the client, that meets his needs, and your needs of not sending your edits. Every other solution mentioned is unnecessarily complicated.

Community Expert
December 6, 2017

You can check the file modification date (of the Raw): only if Lightroom has been writing back changes to the Raw file itself, will that have changed to reflect this. Most commonly, even if LR HAS been writing back changes, that will have been not into the Raw file but into an accompanying sidecar (XMP) file.

You would then simply avoid sending that accompanying file; the recipient will only have the untouched Raw that you send.

The only possible exception, is if the Raw file is in the form of a DNG whereby edit changes may have been written directly into the file by LR (or else not). Again, the file modification date and time will tell you for sure.

You may then be faced with a DNG to which edits have been written, which you now want to clean back out for sending purposes.

A DNG can contain two forms of edits: latest settings - just those, no prior History - and Snapshots.

You should remove any Snapshots if it's a DNG, AND if those have been written to file, AND if you mind the recipient seeing these. Virtual copies could (if desired) be first made which contain the specific editing involved in those snapshots. And you'd need to write back to file the "removal" of these Snapshots.

As to the current editing, one way would involve making a Virtual Copy, resetting the editing of that virtual copy, switching Copy and Master, writing edits to file, then later switching things back.

Probably easier to make a virtual copy, reset the editing of this virtual copy, then Export this unedited image version choosing "Original" as the filetype option. This will save a new copy of the Raw file, within which the "latest" editing shown, is in fact the reset state of the image with all your individual edits effectively wiped.

AxelMatt
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Community Expert
December 6, 2017

If you have made some developments to the appropriate RAW file you can create a virtual copy. For this copy you can reset all your modifications that you have done in the development modul. Then you can export this file.

Axel

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singalis
singalisAuthor
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December 6, 2017

Many thanks Axel - so I've just given this a try and the export creates an XMP file separately which contains all the changes.  If I give my client just the CR2 file, does he get access to the XMP file details?

It's all a bit beyond me!  When I create a virtual copy, the picture on the screen is the edited RAW version, but you can't see the history of the changes I've made.  I thought that once I developed the file in RAW, LR attached my edits to the file and then when I create a jpeg from both those bits of information it's like a final edited picture and I always choose not to include any metadata with the jpeg file.  I assumed I can't do that with the RAW file if I'm sending them the edited version?

AxelMatt
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 6, 2017

When you develop a photo in Lightroom the original RAW file will be leave untouched. Lightroom put the steps and settings that you made in the catalog and (when you have marked) in an XMP.

If you create a virtual copy the picture shows all the steps you have made, but when you reset the developement for this copy it will shown the original photo. If you export this to a JPEG you'll get the undeveloped picture that you can give to your customer.

Axel

My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 11 Pro 25H2 -- LR-Classic 15 - Photoshop 27 - Nik Collection 8 - PureRAW 5 - Topaz Photo