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How to: Exporting images to Wordpress, preserving keywords established in LR Classic

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February 1, 2019
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Hello,

I'm fairly new to LR Classic CC, and have recently imported about 5000 TIFF images into a catalog, and ensured all are properly keyworded as needed.

I've then used PS CC (not LR) to generate JPGs to be imported into a new WP site (still very much in development). I used PS, as I'm not yet familiar with how to do so in LR (but will learn how in the next day or two).

The issue here: The JPGs created by PS inherited the keywords. However when the JPGs are then imported into WP, the keywords don't survive.

Is there a method/workflow in LR that will export TIFFs into JPGs, preserve the keywords in such a way that these will be also be seen properly in the Wordpress Media Manager? I really really don't want to have to duplicate the keywording for the WP copies of the files...

I realize I'm spanning two different universes here that barely overlap, and have also been searching for WP plug-ins that might help, but thus far, nothing has shown up.

Thanks!!!!
Jerry

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GoldingD

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You will want to explore using Lightroom’s publish service for getting images from Lightroom over to Wordpress. Just googling on that reveals several.

now, I am not currently at a computer, so I cannot check some of this out, but in LR, in the library module, down lower left, look at publishing. Should be a + symbol to look for more. This involves adding a plug-in.

note that the publishing plug-in might be third party off the web

ahh, foe example WP/LR Sync | WordPress.org

wikes, googling on “lightroom wordpress publishing plugin” gets lots of results

note, I have never ever been anywhere near Wordpress, so this all with a grain of salt.

JerryandLoisPhotographyAuthor

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Hi David,

Thank you for your comments as well. I had already looked at WP/LR Sync, but frankly, the relatively low number of installs (5K) was a deterrent for me (looking for well-established, heavily established plug-ins). I know that sounds snooty, but am taking the conservative route here.

I had also googled something similar to your suggestion since posting this thread, and am still combing through the results.

Many thanks,
Jerry

Conrad_C

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JerryandLoisPhotography wrote
The issue here: The JPGs created by PS inherited the keywords. However when the JPGs are then imported into WP, the keywords don't survive.

How did the keywords not survive, exactly? Did you see an empty Keywords field in the WordPress Media Library, or was there no Keywords field in there at all?

I was just playing around with my WordPress site (version 5.0.3), and the Media Library doesn't have a Keywords field, only fields for URL, Title, Caption, Alt Text, and Description. If the images were exported by Lightroom, I'm pretty confident there is nothing wrong with the keywords in the images, because they tend to upload perfectly to many websites that support keywords.

I cannot claim to be a WordPress expert, but this is my take on it: If we don't see a Keywords field in the WordPress Media Library, it simply might not support keywords. In other words, the problem might be on the WordPress end. When I upload images that I know to have valid keywords, the keywords don't show up in WordPress, even though the keywords in the same images show up on other websites.

So then how to avoid re-keywording everything? Many WordPress users who build serious photography-oriented websites use a specialized image plug-in. I have a test WordPress site where I've installed the free version of the NextGen Gallery plug-in; that's one of the most popular ones. When I upload the same images directly into the plug-in, voilà…each image's keywords are there, in a Tags field in the NextGen Gallery Settings panel. So my best guess is that a basic WordPress installation does not support image keywords, but some WordPress photo plug-ins add that capability.

Again, there may be a keyword capability of basic WordPress that I am unaware of, so don't take my advice as the last word since I'm definitely not an expert on WordPress. But I have only seen keyword support in WordPress image plug-ins such as NextGen Gallery.

JerryandLoisPhotographyAuthor

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Hi Conrad

Thank you for weighing in! Great points that you've raised (and an excellent check on my own assumptions).

1. There doesn't appear to actually be a keywords field for images.
2. I am using a very popular and powerful plug-in, Enhanced Media Library PRO, which allows the user to create a keyword-like or category-like taxonomy and thus manage images in the library (e.g. searching and filtering) in the same way that keywords work in LR. However, with your observation, I realized I made the assumption that that keyword structure of the plug-in mapped to the keywords in the image file's metadata.
3. I've sent off a query to that plug-in's developer to find out if there's a way to get it to shake hands with the keywords in the image files. If not, this could be a rather unpleasant discovery, if I continue to use this particular plug-in.
4. I had already looked at NextGen, but the apparent main thrust of that plug-in allowed users to create their own portfolios/galleries. The theme I'm using has its own ways of doing the same, so I didn't look any deeper. I'll have to go back to see if it can complement EML.

Thank you again for your thoughts!
Jerry

john beardsworth

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FYI another issue is colour management. By default, WP strips any colour profile from uploaded images and serves them as plain sRGB. So if you have a colour managed workflow, anyone using a colour-managed browser won't see the same colours as you. To get around this, there's another plugin called ImagemagickEngine which preserves the profile.

I actually wrote my own WP plugin but never released it. Maybe I should, partly because it did handle keywords!

johnrellis

Legend

"The JPGs created by PS inherited the keywords."

How did you verify that? If you upload one of these JPEGs to Dropbox or similar and post the sharing link here, and we can see if the keywords are indeed in industry-standard locations.

JerryandLoisPhotographyAuthor

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Hi John - thanks for the quick reply!

We have also used a popular 3rd party app called PhotoMechanic. Opening the JPGs in that, showed that the keywords were in place.

I've copied a couple of files to a new private Dropbox share found here:
Dropbox - 2019-01-31, JPG Keyword check - Simplify your life

I don't know if the keywords are in the industry-standard locations (but would love to know how to verify this).

I can tell you that when uploaded to our fledgling (new) WP site, keywords did not survive.

Looking forward to learning more here!!

Many thanks,
Jerry

johnrellis

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I've copied a couple of files to a new private Dropbox share found here:
Dropbox - 2019-01-31, JPG Keyword check - Simplify your life

I confirmed that these sample JPEGs had the keywords stored in industry-standard metadata fields. So as others have indicated, the problem is with the the loading of the images into Wordpress.

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