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Agresvig
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March 3, 2021
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How to retain images in the cloud after deleting locally?

  • March 3, 2021
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Hi all

Consider this workflow, which I assume to be pretty standard:

  1. I import RAW photos into LR Classic on my workstation and edit them there
  2. I create a collection with these files, and sync it to the cloud. I now have the images available in LR on my iOS devices

 

At some point, I would like to remove the local RAW files my workstations disk. However if I delete them (or just remove the folder from Lightroom), the images will disappear from the synced collection, and accordingly also from all my other devices.

 

So: How can I retain a synced collection in the cloud, after deleting the files locally?

 

All help is greatly appreciated!

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Correct answer Conrad_C

The basic reason for this is that in Lightroom Classic, originals are stored locally and everything derived from them (collection instances, online galleries) points back to those locally stored originals. Delete the local originals, and everything pointing back to them is also deleted because the originals are gone.

 

If you were using Lightroom (not Classic), it would be the opposite: Originals are stored in the cloud, and everything points to those. With Lightroom (not Classic), you could delete locally stored raw files without affecting anything else, because the system was not considering those local raw files to be originals. They are more like locally cached raw files, since the originals are stored in the cloud only.

 


@Agresvig wrote:

So: How can I retain a synced collection in the cloud, after deleting the files locally?



Based on the descriptions above, one way to get what you want is to switch away from Lightroom Classic to Lightroom. But that might not be what you want, because it would mean uploading all originals to the Adobe cloud and paying for that storage, and all local folder organization is not preserved in the cloud.

 

If you need to continue with Lightroom Classic with cloud syncing on, there is no way for you to retain a synced collection in the cloud after deleting the raw files locally. It’s a contradiction — you can’t possibly have a synced collection where the originals are no longer available to sync with.

 

One possible way is, first, turn off sync in Lightroom Classic, then upload to and manage just those online albums from any non-Classic version of Lightroom, including the web or mobile versions. With Classic syncing off, you can put whatever you want in the Lightroom cloud, and Lightroom Classic will not try to take it over and download all the images to a local folder.

 

Now, if what you really want is an online album — without original raw files —  synced to Lightroom Classic so that you can control the album from there, then export the raw files to JPEG versions, in a local folder, which you add to the Lightroom Classic catalog. Then create a collection from that, and sync that to the Lightroom Photos cloud. That sounds like a lot of steps, but it can be streamlined by taking advantage of features such as the “Add to This Catalog” option and “Added by Previous Export” collection when you export the JPEG versions. But you would still need to keep those local JPEG images; this still does not let you keep images only in the cloud and not locally.

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DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 4, 2021

Thanks, Conrad for that informative post.

One important point to consider is storage space for original files costs $ and storage of smart previews does not utilize your storage allocation. The original poster indicated he wished to dispose of the original files raw files and still retain the mobile access and sharing options.

He thinks he has 3 image files one on the disk, another in Lr and one in cloud storage.

He actually has the original on disk and a smart-preview in Cloud storage.

 

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
Conrad_C
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Conrad_CCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
March 3, 2021

The basic reason for this is that in Lightroom Classic, originals are stored locally and everything derived from them (collection instances, online galleries) points back to those locally stored originals. Delete the local originals, and everything pointing back to them is also deleted because the originals are gone.

 

If you were using Lightroom (not Classic), it would be the opposite: Originals are stored in the cloud, and everything points to those. With Lightroom (not Classic), you could delete locally stored raw files without affecting anything else, because the system was not considering those local raw files to be originals. They are more like locally cached raw files, since the originals are stored in the cloud only.

 


@Agresvig wrote:

So: How can I retain a synced collection in the cloud, after deleting the files locally?



Based on the descriptions above, one way to get what you want is to switch away from Lightroom Classic to Lightroom. But that might not be what you want, because it would mean uploading all originals to the Adobe cloud and paying for that storage, and all local folder organization is not preserved in the cloud.

 

If you need to continue with Lightroom Classic with cloud syncing on, there is no way for you to retain a synced collection in the cloud after deleting the raw files locally. It’s a contradiction — you can’t possibly have a synced collection where the originals are no longer available to sync with.

 

One possible way is, first, turn off sync in Lightroom Classic, then upload to and manage just those online albums from any non-Classic version of Lightroom, including the web or mobile versions. With Classic syncing off, you can put whatever you want in the Lightroom cloud, and Lightroom Classic will not try to take it over and download all the images to a local folder.

 

Now, if what you really want is an online album — without original raw files —  synced to Lightroom Classic so that you can control the album from there, then export the raw files to JPEG versions, in a local folder, which you add to the Lightroom Classic catalog. Then create a collection from that, and sync that to the Lightroom Photos cloud. That sounds like a lot of steps, but it can be streamlined by taking advantage of features such as the “Add to This Catalog” option and “Added by Previous Export” collection when you export the JPEG versions. But you would still need to keep those local JPEG images; this still does not let you keep images only in the cloud and not locally.

Participant
March 9, 2022

Hello there

What about pictures that have been imported in Lr on mobile (hence, "originals are in the cloud"), and end up in my Lr Classic catalogue, because it is syncing with my account ? 

 

Those pictures should be "cloud first", so I should be able to delete locally stored images on my Desktop without losing them on the cloud. Yet, LrC keeps warning me that deleting theses pics will also delete them from the cloud ?

 

thanks again for your insights.

clifh73979704
Participant
May 1, 2022

What happens when you start a new catalog, for instance when you travel and want a to work on new images only when you are away from home?  If you turn on synch, does this replace all other synched images from the previous catalog?  Is it then best to not turn the synch on until the files are merged with the master catalog later?

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 3, 2021

So the short answer is: you can't. Lightroom Classic is the king. If you delete an image from the Lightroom Classic catalog, then you'll delete it from the cloud as well.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 3, 2021

“I create a collection with these files, and sync it to the cloud. I now have the images available in LR on my iOS devices”

There are no actual images in LrC they are all in a folder on your computer disk. Collections are just data stored in the Catalog file. So if you delete the original files from the disk all the data for those files will be removed from the Lightroom Catalog file. If you you choose to remove the originals from Lightroom the data in the Catalog will be removed including the collection data.

The smart previews that are in your Cloud Storage will get removed section of the storage as deleted images and will no longer be available to your mobile devices. You can recover the smart previews for something like 30 or 60 days as far as I know.

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.