Increasing by set amount over all images (exposure, temp, vibrance etc.)

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

I have always wanted to be able to bump a setting by a set amount across all images, as opposed to only being able to set a value. Is there some workaround for this or can it be requested as a feature? 

For example - You have a set of 1000 images that are all slightly cooler than you wanted - So you increase temp by 500 across all images (as opposed to the current limitations of setting an exact value and syncing the images)

Same with exposure - say you edited a full gallery just a bit too bright - go back and lower exposure by 0.25 across all images, instead choosing a set value. 

[AxelMatt]

You can use the quick develop panel. More infos you'll find here:

Use the Quick Develop panel in Lightroom Classic (adobe.com)

Julieanne Kost's Blog | The Power of Quick Develop in Lightroom Classic (jkost.com)

(1) Using "quick develop" to batch process in Lightroom Classic - YouTube

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

Hello! Thank you so much for the reply - the issue I have when I do this in the Library module is that is changes the tint when adjusting the temp - and not by any set amount I can decipher. It is different on each image, even though it is done as a batch. 

For example my process is:

Import images
Auto Tone Control (to obtain auto exposure)
Apply global preset (without exposure, and with auto WB) 

Warm temp up - (during this step it also adjusts the tint to an arbitrary value I cannot figure out)

Then I end up manually adjusting the WB because these steps make changes I cannot track globally and offsets the benefits of doing a mass edit. Would absolutely love any help here, or perhaps it's just a small bug? 

[dj_paige]

the issue I have when I do this in the Library module is that is changes the tint when adjusting the temp - and not by any set amount I can decipher.

By @Chelsea324447872ftb

I do not experience this when I try it using the Quick Develop panel. If I change the tint, the temperature remains unchanged. If I change the temperature, the tint remains unchanged.

What do you look at to see that the tint changes when adjusting the temp? Did you check the locations of the tint and temperature sliders on the photos in the Develop Module before you went to Quick Develop and changed the temp?

Can you show us screen captures? Please use the "Insert Photos" icon to include your screen captures in your reply.

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

Yes, you can see in my develop history. Here are 3 screen grabs, same image at various edits

1. AUTO WB in LIBRARY 
2. AUTO WB with preset applied WITH AUTO WB within the preset settings
3. AUTO WB in DEVELOP after the preset was applied with auto WB

So I think the workaround could be to apply the preset in library, go to develop mode and auto WB - sync WB across all images, then go back to library to adjust temp warmer. But it also doesnt explain why autoWB within the preset in Library differs fromt he auto WB in develop

[dj_paige]

Please use the "Insert Photos" icon to include your screen captures in your reply.

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

Apologies, I am new to this forum, here is the format you requested 🙂 You can see the same AUTO calculated at different values even with the same preset applied. This one doesn't have a huge difference in values but sometimes its way off! If I apply the preset in Library, swap to develop and re-select auto WB the value are different as well. So the WB must calculate differently between the modules?

1. AUTO WB in LIBRARY (6100/17):

2. PRESET APPLIED with AUTO WB intrinsic to the preset (in LIBRARY) (6050/16)

3. AUTO WB applied to the image in DEVELOP (6100/17):

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

Hello again,

It looks like the AUTO WB calculates the WB differently between Library and Develop Modue - or between AUTO in Library, and the AUTO within the preset applied, as when I re-apply AUTO WB in develop it gives different values to the same image that was already on AUTO WB from library module.

[dj_paige]

Hello again,

It looks like the AUTO WB calculates the WB differently between Library and Develop Modue - or between AUTO in Library, and the AUTO within the preset applied, as when I re-apply AUTO WB in develop it gives different values to the same image that was already on AUTO WB from library module.

By @Chelsea324447872ftb

Ok, stop here, are we talking about the same thing? I thought you were using Quick Develop, as suggested by @AxelMatt , but now it appears you are not doing that. Clicking on Auto in the Develop Module was not suggested for your problem. Using Quick Develop to change the temperature should do what you requested originally, which is to warm up 500 images by the same amount (see diagram). Changing the 500 images to Auto White balance in the Library Module Quick Develop panel is not what has been suggested.

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

Hello!  Thank you for your reply. Yes the overall question was I want to increase temp across all images. This works fine without a preset applied in library. However once a preset is applied - when I go to adjust the temp, it changes the tint as well, and I believe the root cause is how the WB is calculated. Here is the two shots to show this:

1. PRESET APPLIED (6100/17)

2. MAKE WARMER (6479/13) the tint is adjusted from 17 to 13 

the only step made as you can see is the MAKE WARMER in the library module, but the tint has adjusted as well. 

[dj_paige]

Honestly, I am lost here. Are you, or are you not, using the Temp "arrows" in the Quick Develop panel of the Library Module? Please tell us the exact action you performed to go from the first photo to the second photo. Please be specific and detailed.

Your presets should not matter, they should not have an effect on later edits.

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

Hi!

Correct - the MAKE WARMER step is in the Library module > quick develop > Temperature arrows

as suggested by @AxelMatt originally. 

I agree, it should not change the tint, however, it does. This is the same result whether being applied to 1 image or 500 images, and I have recreated this issue in several images. Here is a different image to show below.

Here are my exact steps:
Import Image into lightroom
In LIBRARY apply my preset using Saved Preset in Quick Develop:

In LIBRARY use make warmer arrows: 

Here is the result:

 Apply Preset in quick develop in Library module as shown above. This screenshot is clearly from the develop module so I can show you the values of the temp/tint which are 6500/14. You can also see the only steps in my history virtual copy created to start from scratch, preset applied, and make warmer. 

Here is the screen grab from the Make Warmer action in the quick develop panel of the library module, you can see in my history the only step is MAKE WARMER, yet the tint has changed from 14 to 13. 

As mentioned, obviously 14-13 is not a huge jump in values for the tint, but it jumps significantly in other images. The point being it should not change value at all when the only adjustment made is the "make warmer" arrow (in the library under quick develop) to adjust the temp only. 

Let me know if I can further clarify this issue. Thank you!

[dj_paige]

Ok, thank you. I cannot reproduce this. Can you share this preset with us? Or tell us what sliders it changes and how much?

Also, please tell us your version NUMBER of your Lightroom Classic (we need the NUMBER and not words like "latest" or "up-to-date") and the version NUMBER of your operating system?

Also, are there any poltergeists in your house or office?

[Chelsea324447872ftb · Accepted solution]

No poltergeists - recently did an exorcism. Also to note, I am new to this forum but am a long time LR user.

I have solved the issue - it is a bug withing LR - The Develop module and Library module calculate the auto WB differently. 

Up to date LR: 

 

I made a new preset that ONLY does AUTO WB, nothing else changed and was able to reproduce the glitch.

Here is my preset - where WB is set to AUTO:

Here is where the Preset is applied after import in the LIBRARY module:

Here is the temp/tint after preset application (7450/19)

Here is the next step make warmer in LIBRARY MODULE:

 

Here is the screenshot from DEVELOP module showing the history as well as the TINT changing from 19 to 16 after only the make warmer step:

To follow up I used the auto white balance feature in the DEVELOP module and the TINT matched the original tint of 19:

As mentioned I have concluded that the calculation of WB in LIBRARY differs from that in DEVELOP for BOTH TEMP & TINT. I can prove this by applying the same preset to the same image in each module and have a differing WB calculated (as below). The difference in WB TINT matches the changes seen when adjusting the temp (make warmer) in LIBRARY module. ie. when I use MAKE WARMER it adjusts the tint to the WB calculated in the DEVELOP module, VS the WB that was calculated by the LIBRARY module as the initial preset was applied. 

IMPORT PRESET APPLIED IN LIBRARY MODULE:  Temp/Tint 7350/16
Applied Here:
RESULT:

IMPORT PRESET APPLIED IN DEVELOP MODULE: Temp/Tint 7450/19
Applied Here: 

RESULT:

In conculsion - When the same preset (AUTO WB) is applied in the LIBRARY module versus the DEVELOP module the AUTO WB is calculated at different values [ 7350/16 versus 7450/19 ] with no other changes made. 

This thread has obviously strayed from the original request to have an option in the develop module to adjust settings by a set amount rather than a set value when syncing an images set. But it did allow me to discover the difference in WB calculation between LIBRAY and DEVELOP so hopefully that's helpful to others, or can be fixed on adobes end. 

  I would still love to see this as an added feature (adjusting settings by amount versus value in develop module)!

But for now, the work around would be applying and syncing the preset in the DEVELOP module as opposed to bulk applying to the images in the LIBRARY module, then swapping back to make LIBRARY to use the make warmer feature so the tint isn't adjusted. 

Would love any feedback or comments to what I have found. Thank you both @AxelMatt & @dj_paige  for your insight and suggestions. 

[Chelsea324447872ftb]

LR 12.5 Version - Sorry Didn't include above