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Inspiring
October 4, 2021
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Is it just me or is the LRc HDR functionality useless?

  • October 4, 2021
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I pretty much never use LR's hdr merge function. I shoot a lot of bracketed images and it's just too clunky to work with lots of bracketed shots in LR. But occasionally I just have 1 or 2 sets of brackets. And once in a while I'll let LR take a crack at merging them. And everything time it does it seems completely useless to me. Because to my eyes, the merged image looks almost exactly the same as the middle bracketed shot. Maybe the highlights are just slightly turned down, or shadows turned up just a tiny bit. But it's such a small difference that it's useless. I always use a 3rd party HDR app.

 

Is the HDR functionality in LR just completely useless? Or am I doing something wrong?

15 replies

Participant
January 21, 2025

I would agree, when I join my photos together it is EXACTLY the middle photo. Super frustrating when I am trying to do real estate on a sunny snowy day, all windows are now overblown because it will not work.

Participating Frequently
May 3, 2023

when I HDR merge the dng file generated doesnt have the dynamic range that the original file has, for example the overexposed area cannot be recovered while the original underexposed file(bracket) can, i shot 3 photos of 1ev,it used to be working.

 

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 3, 2023

Your bottom screenshot shows a TIFF file. If that's the format of the files you're trying to merge, then you're more often than not going to produce poor results.

Participating Frequently
May 3, 2023

The first one was the adobe DNG, but it's dynamic range didnt change, in fact, the histogram looks very similar

Rob_Cullen
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 8, 2021

Have been following this thread, and just had to have a go at your images!

My quick result using only two of your frames.

A linear gradient from the left pulls up the left of frame.  A circular gradient brightens up the area of the door. Highlights & Shadows adjusted as suggested by @Bob Somrak  Adobe Color profile.

 

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .
Todd Shaner
Legend
October 7, 2021

"The biggest time sink for me with the LR version was having to apply some exposure brush strokes to adjust parts of the image that still needed some exposure comp."

 

This shouldn't be necessary for the majority of LrC generated HDR files. In my example with five 2EV bracket image files no local brushing was applied, just the global Tone controls in the Basic panel. Try using -100 Highlights & +100 Shadows and then adjust the other controls as needed. If the HDR file still needs brushing I suggest uploading the bracket set to a file sharing site and we can take a look. Concerning disk space once you're happy with the adjusted HDR DNG file you can delete the bracketed image files.

merkkAuthor
Inspiring
October 8, 2021

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/295iqzd2yie7fks/AAAvOALYl1pER10tPfvU8dR1a?dl=0

You can find the bracketed set there. The part of the photo i needed to brush was the dark corner in the back near the front door.

I did consider deleting the original raw files. But someone else in another post mentioned that at some point adobe will probably update the hdr function at which point i might want to recreate the hdr file. Although in all likelyhood I'd never need to do that with these photos. 

Bob Somrak
Legend
October 8, 2021

Here is your photo with Auto and the Highlight and Shadow sliders at -100/+100 using Adobe Color

 

Here is you photo with Auto and the Highlight and Shadow sliders at -100/+100 using Adobe Color HDR which is a profile I created using the Profiles SDK and setting the tone strength to Medium (the only change in the profile from Adobe Color).  It would be more pronounced using High but I have found it was not useful on High for my needs so I deleted my High one.  As you can see the door area is brighter and the outside is darker.  

 

 

 

 

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merkkAuthor
Inspiring
October 7, 2021

Ok, so I guess I owe LRc HDR function an apology 😉 It does work, I just need to adjust the image as others have pointed out here. For now I'll probably stick with the software i currently use to generate HDR images. It's just easier to work with batch files in that program. And I already know how to get the look I want using that system. I would say it's also quicker for me to edit the generated HDR images in the other program, but I know if i used LR for an extended period to create my HDR images I'd cut down on the editing time there as well. The biggest time sink for me with the LR version was having to apply some exposure brush strokes to adjust parts of the image that still needed some exposure comp. With the other program I use I pretty much never have to do that. And there's also disk space savings since with LR it's basically going to double the amount of disk space required if i want to keep the original bracketed shots alongside the HDR merged image.

 

Thanks to everyone who posted some helpful information here. If nothing else it forced me to reexamine how I process photos in LR. It's always good to get out of a rut and try things from a new persepective. 

Inspiring
October 8, 2021

For me, the biggest advantage of LrC HDR is that I still can work with the picture as a raw file, and can quickly change any decisions in previous steps of the workflow. I also have revisited many HDR images made with earlier versions of LrC, to apply new capabilities, with minimal effort - and here is very important new feature of selective edit masks (e.g. gradient, applied on part or full frame, with selective effect based on luminosity). This mostly reduces the need for brush adjustments, and I use selective Exposure adjustment with lower than +/-100 Highlights/Shadows slider settings. There's also a batch mode on multiple stacks, if you have many HDR images.

 

Todd Shaner
Legend
October 7, 2021

"It is truly a high dynamic range I'm working with. Usually with a dimly lit interior and a bright exterior outside a window. Or occasionally an exterior scene with bright sunlight and hard shadows. In most cases I usually do 2stops of exposure with 3 images, sometimes 5."

 

A wider dynamic range image is going to require more bracketed files. Using more backeted image files is going to require more extreme Basic panel Tone control adjustment to get a good looking image. Below is an example using five 2EV bracketed image files. On the left is the HDR DNG file with no adjustments applied, which looks pretty crappy! The image on the right is with the adjustments showing in the Basic Tone control panel and no other settings applied. I created an article with suggestions and tips on using the Tone control adjustments, which may be helpful.

 

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/tone-control-adjustment.html

 

 

 

merkkAuthor
Inspiring
October 7, 2021

It might be that I just didn't apply any of my own adjustments then. I think the few times I tried LRc HDR i just looked at the generated image and then deleted it. I'm used to most of the 3rd party HDR tools which generate an image that already looks adjusted. 

I'll try it again and try adjusting the image and see if it gives me the wider latitude. I'm glad I asked for some opinions here 🙂

GoldingD
Legend
October 7, 2021

Yes, LrC Photo Merger HDR takes a conservative approach on image presented. You need to add your own edits, your own style using what LrC creates as a starting point.

merkkAuthor
Inspiring
October 7, 2021

Thanks for the replies from everyone. Sorry I did not respond sooner, I didn't get any notifications that there were any replies. 

Just to clarify - i'm not trying to get a 'grunge' look or anything. It is truly a high dynamic range I'm working with. Usually with a dimly lit interior and a bright exterior outside a window. Or occasionally an exterior scene with bright sunlight and hard shadows. In most cases I usually do 2stops of exposure with 3 images, sometimes 5.

I'll post some example images tomorrow to show you what LRc is generating when let it do an HDR merge.

Community Expert
October 7, 2021

"What LrC is generating" when it does a Merge HDR, is not a picture - it is only some raw material (quasi-Raw material, to be more exact) from which you can then make your picture.

 

The initial starting-point preview that you see is necessarily going to look very similar to the initial starting-point preview that you see with a single Raw, because the same default LrC processing is doing nothing different.

 

The purpose and point of using a merged HDR source instead of a single Raw source, is that - and only to the extent that a broader range of separable tone gradations are a) present in the scene, and b) included in the bracketed exposures' combined dynamic range - the image will then be that bit more potentially adjustable across these broader available tone gradations.

 

The key word there IMO being, "potentially" - there is no obligation to use this added headroom! And AFAICT the default initial processing makes no particular attempt to present any wider a dynamic range than normal. That is for you to then judge, and explore, and practice whatever restraint or exuberance the picture calls for.

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 7, 2021

If you check the Auto Tone checkbox in the merge to HDR dialog, then Lightroom should show you a preview that is not simply the same as a preview from one of the brackets, but an attempt to create a good result from the merged HDR. It should be much closer to what @Per Berntsen shows in his screenshot, and you should see a clear difference compared to the individual brackets, but almost always it needs further adjustments.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 5, 2021

Yes, I think that must be emphasized. HDR is not a gimmick to get grungy pictures. That has nothing to do with HDR, but with (bad) tone mapping. Tone mapping is also used in HDR after images are merged, to get back to a normal dynamic range, but they are not the same. You can tone map a single image too, and make it just as grungy. These images are often called "HDR", but they have nothing to do with real HDR.

 

Real HDR effectively extends the dynamic range of the sensor. There is little or no reason to use it if the scene your are shooting does not exceed the dynamic range of the sensor in the first place.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
Per Berntsen
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 5, 2021

There has to be a substantial difference in exposure between the shots, see post by @JohanElzenga .

I find LR's HDR function excellent, here's a typical example of an interior with a window.

 

 

 

Participating Frequently
May 3, 2023

hello, I have similar problems, when i HDR merge the dng file generated doesnt have the dynamic range that the original file has, for example the overexposed area cannot be recovered while the original underexposed file(bracket) can, is that because of the DNG could not contain that much info? Thank you!

Bob Somrak
Legend
May 3, 2023

In my experience the LrC merged file allows good recovery of bright detail provided at least one of the included source photos has included that detail. Some people recommend merging several quite close-bracketed exposures for HDR, just 1 or 2 stops separated - but I suggest merging fewer exposures that are quite widely spaced in their exposure bracketing, will usually work at least as well, sometimes better. 

 

When adjusting an HDR, the Exposure and the Contrast adjustments become much 'stronger' with more stops of range. Contrast (in particular) is I think often largely forgotten about, but with HDR becomes more primary IMO. Only once that basic tonality has been established (sliders at top of Basic panel) can such adjustments as Shadows and Highlights lower down, operate to the intended effect. The latter sliders are not really meant for the heavy tonal "lifting" in my opinion.

 

Thinking of this HDR processing as involving a "re-exposure" is not too far off the mark, as I see it.


I have yet to see a LrC HDR image that requires the increased range of the Exposure Slider.  I have requested an example several times.  All the increased range does is make the slider more "touchy" where it is much more difficult to do precise adjustments.  

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Jill_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 5, 2021

I use it a lot, and find it generally does a good job; however I usually tweak the sliders a bit after the HDR is generated to reduce the highlights and lighten the shadows. It does NOT provide that over-processed grungy effect that was so popular a few years ago. In fact, I've re-edited many of the HDR's that I previously processed using Photomatix and have deleted the Photomatix version.

 

Jill C., Forum Volunteer