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LR compatibility with Canon 5D Mark iv raw file format?

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will LR be able to read the 5D Mark iv's camera raw file format? at least when it's putting out regular raw files. I know that an update to LR was necessary for reading the 80D file format

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Correct answer John Waller

will LR be able to read the 5D Mark iv's camera raw file format?

Soon after the camera is released, yes.

We'll have to wait for Adobe to issue an update.

A software update (Camera Raw, DNG converter and Lightroom) is required for every new camera model that comes onto the market. Adobe batches the updates then releases a software update including a few new camera models periodically. We never know which ones will be included in any given update but I assume the Mark IV will be a definite inclusion in the next one given the popularity of the Canon 5D cameras (I have a Mark III).

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alinaa42233776

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Any recommendations how i can transfer or convert raw files from new mark iv to the current lightroom ?

Bob Somrak

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Use Canon DPP to convert them to 16 bit TIFF

M4 Pro Mac Mini. 48GB

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alinaa42233776

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When is the new update coming out? I received my new camera yesterday and had a shoot this afternoon using raw format. the latest cc is not supporting my raw files... Please help

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Jao vdL

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Nobody here knows or is allowed to say. Could be tomorrow, could be a few months. We had an update to LR not to long ago so could be some time but really I have no clue. It's always wise to wait to buy a new camera until third-party raw converters support it.

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andrews34554371

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Can I ask perhaps a stupid question? How do you actually know (without having a 5D mk 4 to import files from) when Adobe has released and made this update available to the masses ? I want to buy a 5D mk 4 buy not if I can't work RAW files for some time.

Regards Andrew

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Jao vdL

Community Expert

Check here: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/ and put that in your

newsreader. It's where Adobe posts notices of Lightroom updates and what

new cameras are now supported. You can also follow their twitter feed if

you're more twittery than RSSy.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:39 PM, andrews34554371 <forums_noreply@adobe.com>

TheDigitalDog

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For the rest: It's business logic. The camera maker optimizes their RAW format to their cameras and their needs.

Logic and fact: An openly documented raw format or DNG don't stop them from doing this. Again, some here seem to have an inability to understand what proprietary means. Further Proprietary tags can be stored in a DNG. Camera companies can supply beta units or raw files to Adobe and others such that the day they release their cameras, the raw confuters could ship and support this newer format. And these software companies under NDA could save a lot of time and money decoding the tiny differences in the actual raw data. They don't care, nor need to understand, nor will they examine proprietary data because again, it's proprietary!

Thanks to the sheep for their ideas about why, we end users should sit around and wait on raw support when there's zero reason to do so; maybe some will transform into wolf's (or dogs), make their voices heard so someday, our raw data can be as accessible and as timely as the JPEG these expensive cameras always produce that's always accessible the day the camera ships.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"

Abambo

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Write to Canon, Nikon, Sony that you will create the DNG-now movement that will boycott cameras not supporting DNG. If you are several hundred thousends of users, they will bend.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

DdeGannes

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"Why should I wait to drop $3500 bucks into Canon's hands Bob? Maybe a better suggestion (and equally not useful): just shoot JPEG. After all, the raw data I want to use and can't in the software I desire, only becomes mine to access after (in this case) Adobe spends time and money hacking the new format, updating the software, testing it, building new installers and releasing it. That's useful to anyone but Canon how? I keep asking that question but never getting an answer."

You purchase a camera from Canon and they provide you with the equipment and the software to render the raw captures in the camera and on a computer for post processing. What's the problem? You choose to use alternative software to process the raw data and you think that is Canon's responsibility to make available to you.

I do not think Canon is inclined to dance to "Adobe" drum beat.

If you are dependent on the Adobe drums then wait until they can play the Canon tune.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

TheDigitalDog

Inspiring

DdeGannes wrote:
You purchase a camera from Canon and they provide you with the equipment and the software to render the raw captures in the camera and on a computer for post processing. What's the problem?

The problem is DPP sucks! The problem is, I want to use the raw converter I desire from day one. The problem is that's never an issue if I want to edit my JPEG so why the raw? The problem is, why should anyone have to wait? The problem is, Adobe and ever other company have to waste money and engineering resources hacking a new proprietary raw that's only slightly different from the last. I'm a partner in a company that writes software, I pay for engineering and it's expensive!

The problem here is, no one has yet justified WHY any of the above has to be true. Just wait, it will be OK. What justification does anyone here have that what the camera manufactures are doing is useful to anyone but themselves and anything but a burden for customers and others? The problem is, if all the customers who dropped money on such cameras agreed this tactic doesn't aid them as customers instead of acting like sheep, the problem would quickly disappear! You're either on the bus or you're not.

I guess this is to be expected by non professionals who don't really care what converter they temporarily use or how long they have to wait for access to their data, in the software they desire. Sad.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"

Abambo

Community Expert

thedigitaldog wrote:
The problem is DPP sucks!

Don't use it! Don't even buy the camera. If that is the argument, don't even consider buying the camera.

The only time I was pissed of was when Nikon protected their format by encryption and used the DCMA to lock out third party developers.

For the rest: It's business logic. The camera maker optimizes their RAW format to their cameras and their needs. And I'm sure, that Canon has an interest to get Adobe supporting their cameras, as LR and PS have a unique market share with professional photographers.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

TheDigitalDog

Inspiring

Do read this as well, something the Adobe team may wish to work towards:

http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/Canon-dual-pixel-technology

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"

Abambo

Community Expert

The link confirms what I thought. The raw file formats are not that different from each camera. Even the dual pixel raw file format is an "easy" go. The only problem with this are all the new opportunities you get and how they get supported by a program like LR.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

JP Hess

Inspiring

The following article seems to contradict your suspicions or expectations from Adobe:

Attention, photo buffs: Adobe will capture the power of Canon's new photo format - CNET

99jon

Legend

The Camera is not released until September so I guess there will be a short wait. I doubt LR will support dual-pixel raw so Cannon DPP will be necessary to make the micro adjustments for post processing focus.

johnrellis

Legend

I doubt LR will support dual-pixel raw

See this article: Attention, photo buffs: Adobe will capture the power of Canon's new photo format - CNET

ssprengel

Inspiring

"We're working on it," Adobe spokesman Roman Skuratovskiy said Thursday. He declined to say when Adobe would add the update to Lightroom and its cousin, Photoshop, though.

is all that Adobe has said. Since Adobe products do not yet support the 5D IV files, then that initial raw support could easily be all he’s talking about, not some special dual-pixel functionality. Nothing else in the UI is specific to a few cameras, other than camera profiles, so I doubt Adobe has changed their design philosophy with Canon’s first dual-pixel camera.

John Waller

Correct answer

Community Expert

will LR be able to read the 5D Mark iv's camera raw file format?

Soon after the camera is released, yes.

We'll have to wait for Adobe to issue an update.

A software update (Camera Raw, DNG converter and Lightroom) is required for every new camera model that comes onto the market. Adobe batches the updates then releases a software update including a few new camera models periodically. We never know which ones will be included in any given update but I assume the Mark IV will be a definite inclusion in the next one given the popularity of the Canon 5D cameras (I have a Mark III).

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Cattleya007

Participant

Update and working for LR6 and CC Version?

JP Hess

Inspiring

DNG converter only ?

RAW for 5d IV in CC AND LR6 ?

You can use the DNG converter. Or, you can use the software that comes with the camera to work on the raw images and create TIF images that you can then load into Lightroom. Older versions of Lightroom and Photoshop will not be updated to support that new camera. If it meets your needs, you might consider using Photoshop Elements. The other alternative would be for you to upgrade to Lightroom 6 or Lightroom CC.

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