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December 11, 2023
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LR Develop Mode Issue?

  • December 11, 2023
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I am having an issue with my RAW and TIF images needing to have a increase in saturdation in the Develop mode in order to have a finished jpeg that doesn't look extremely desaturated.  I have been working in LR and PS for about 5 years.  I used to primarily edit images for web and social media use and never thought about complete color matching but now I am printing images and there is a extreme difference in the color saturation in LR Develop mode to what I see if I pull same image into PS from LR and also when I export from LR as a JPEG with the SRGB color space.  I've had a holiday card printed at a professional lab  and it came back so desaturdated from what I thought I had sent them.  I think also the brightness of my monitor threw me off a little also but there is a clear saturation issue from LR Develop mode to finished JPEG for printing and actually printed.  My monitor is brand new and color calibrated.  I realize you need to calibrate often but I don't think that is the issue here.  My concern is that I don't want to overly saturate images in LR Develop just to get an end result that is mildly acceptable, and isn't desaturated. Thoughts?

 

Including screenshots of one example - from LR Develop (as a TIFF) and from Exported JPEG viewed from windows photos and a cell phone pic of the printed image from the pro lab.  The difference is not quite as marked on the screenshots.  The printed image actually looks worse, way less saturated and I guess because the monitor has brightness that the printed photo doesn't, the printed photo looks darker in the blacks, shadows and contrast.

 

I'm worried about printing images for people and having them be so starkly different from LR to all other platforms.

 

I don't see a visual difference between SOFT PROOF and regular viewing in LR.  For the RAW images in Lightroom I see a profile as Adobe Standard. 

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    Jao vdLCommunity Expert
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    December 11, 2023

    Oh and for the pro lab print, make sure to use a color space in your export that works for the lab. SOme labs that bill themselves as pro are decidely not so and don't color manage correctly. If you send them a prophotoRGB image, you might get a deeply desaturated print back.

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    Tracy341931059oseAuthor
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    December 12, 2023

    I think basically SRGB is it, it's what they recommended.  I also noticed in Lightroom Classic that you could select your camera profile that you used - for example Canon - Faithful or Portrait.  If you also select that in Lightroom the colors change on the display.

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    Jao vdLCommunity Expert
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    December 12, 2023

    Camera profiles are very different from icc color space profiles. Camera profiles change the interpretation of the raw data in your raw files. They basically translate from the raw camera data into a known color space. This is done as there is no absolutel standard to interpret raw data and the precise color response of each camera sensor is different. Also this is much more of an artistic choice than it is to perfectly describe what a scene looked like (which would lead to extremely boring pictures)

     

    ICC color space profiles such as sRGB, display P3, adobeRGB, etc. are more like coordinate systems or relative scale your existing colors are defined in. They don't actually change the colors but they change the numbers in a file. It's like defining a distance in inches instead of centimers. The distance is the same but the number is different. They also define the range of colors that can be described (the length of your measuring stick). This is called the possible gamut of a color space. For example in display P3 you can describe much deeper reds than is sRGB. In adobeRGB you can describe more saturated greens. in prophotoRGB, you can describe more saturated colors overall. However if a color falls within each color space's gamut, the color is exactly the same in each but will have different numerical values in each.

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    Jao vdLCommunity Expert
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    December 11, 2023

    How are you calibrating your display? The symptoms you're showing here are consistent with a bad monitor profile. Recalibration (using calibration hardware) will help in that case. It is also possible that you have an outdated driver for your GPU so check on the GPU manufactirer website (windows update only has out of date drivers for many cards). Also note that windows photos does not color manage. However Chrome, Firefox and Edge do, so to see the correct color (if you have a color calibrated display and up-to-date drivers) use those apps, photoshop, or Lightroom.

    Per Berntsen
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    Per BerntsenCommunity Expert
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    December 11, 2023
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    Also note that windows photos does not color manage.


    By @Jao vdL

     

    The Windows Photos app is in fact color managed, Microsoft finally got around to fixing it a couple of years ago.

    So it should display correct colors, provided that the monitor profile is healthy and accurate.

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    Jao vdLCommunity Expert
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    December 11, 2023

    Thanks that is good to know!

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