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October 30, 2023
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LRClassic (LRC) and LRcloud (LRc)

  • October 30, 2023
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dear all,

I am pretty new to thei nice Community, so please forgive me for my "innocent" question.

I do have LRC, LRc, PS which I use to edit my photos.

Obviously I appreciate having a Cloud back-up, and online access especially when on the move; but I do prefer the nuances offered by LRC when editing the most interesting photos.

Now I do understand (and some ofyou contributed to this in previous posts) that the 2 systems use a separate catalog, though there is some overlapping when syncing (and this part is less clear to me).

I really do not get it why does not the ADOBE TEAM (and if it does please let me have the details asap) offer a single catalog you may access through LRC and LRc, on top of local catalogs (separate for each application).

Such a system would allow an easy transfer of same photos (w/o losing any edit) between apps.

Not to mention that the communication between PS and LR seems poor to me: you lose all the history of edits when coming back from PS to LR (and again if this is not the case pleaase advise on how to do it).

Usually (and my own experience as a Cardiac SUrgeon and Medical Device Industry) is to make the "customer experience" as seamless as possible, not the other way round.

Am I missing something or it is just my huge inexperience with the 3 softwares that is affecting my thoughts ?

Best regards,

eric

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Conrad_C
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October 30, 2023
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Not to mention that the communication between PS and LR seems poor to me: you lose all the history of edits when coming back from PS to LR (and again if this is not the case pleaase advise on how to do it).

By @eric32035440sekv

 

The reason for this is technical, and would apply to any software (not just by Adobe) that works the same way:

  • Lightroom and Lightroom Classic are parametric editors, so edits are applied to the original but not rendered into it, for maximum flexibility. There is no single file that exists with the edits until a copy with edits is exported. 
  • Photoshop is a traditional direct pixel editor, so edits are rendered to the original file. It isn’t necessary to export for other applications to see the edits, because the original has been modified with them. 

 

If you send a file from Lightroom (or Lightroom Classic) to Photoshop, there is no choice but to render all Lightroom edits into a new pixel document that is handed to Photoshop. Especially for raw files, because Photoshop cannot handle raw files on its own. (Without Lightroom, any raw files you open in Photoshop must first be rendered into a Photoshop document by Adobe Camera Raw.)

 

When you finish in Photoshop and return to Lightroom, the old edit history isn’t there for two good reasons: It’s a new, separate file, and the edit history belongs to the original file, not this new one. But also, it would not make sense: The version sent to Photoshop is a copy with Lightroom edits rendered into it, so if you transferred the Lightroom edit history to that copy on return, the image would now have the same corrections applied twice, which would be wrong. The earlier round of corrections would have been baked into the rendered pixels on the way out to Photoshop, and a preserved edit history would apply them again. So if you had applied +1 Exposure, copying the original edit history to the rendered file returned from Photoshop would result in +2 Exposure and that is not what you expect. So it’s a one-way trip out, and if the copy comes back to Lightroom it’s a new file with a new history.

 

All of this goes back to understanding that Lightroom and Photoshop are two very different kinds of image editors, so they can’t simply transfer edits back and forth. You would have the same problem transferring edits between Capture One (a parametric editor like Lightroom) and the GIMP (a traditional direct pixel editor like Photoshop).

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October 30, 2023

very well explained, very much appreciated

at the end is the difference between Destructive (PS) and not  (LR)

would you be so kind to address the 1st part of my post please ?

eric

JohanElzenga
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October 30, 2023

It's a long and complicated story. Lightroom Classic and Lightroom were not designed to work together. They serve different audiences. Lightroom Classic started some 20 years ago as 'Lightroom', an app that was designed to use local images only. At that time there was no fast internet that could be used to sync images.

 

Then Apple introduced the iPad, and so it became interesting to have a mobile version of Lightroom, and have some kind of synchronisation with the computer version of Lightroom. So Lightroom (not yet called 'Classic' at that time) got some limited sync options.

 

When the internet got even faster and things like 'the cloud' were introduced, Adobe realised that rebuilding Lightroom to do all that too, would be such a monumental task, that it did not make sense. It made much more sense to build a new app from the ground up, that would use the cloud rather than local storage. And so the new Lightroom was introduced and the existing version was renamed 'Lightroom Classic'.

 

I think that Adobe only made one big mistake, and that also triggered your question. They should not have used the name 'Lightroom' for this new cloud app, but should have used a completely different name to make it clear that these were two different apps for two different user groups, even though the old Lightroom has some sync features from the time that it was the only way to sync your desktop computer with Lightroom for iPad. If there had been an app called 'Lightroom' (no need to use 'Classic') that used local storage, and another app called 'CloudPhoto' or something like that, then you probably would not have asked why they did not use the same catalog.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
dj_paige
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October 30, 2023

The design choices made by the Adobe teams working on Lightroom and Lightroom Classic was to NOT have one catalog in use for Lr and LrC. Only they can speak to the reasons. It is extremely rare for them to make any statements in these forums, and on those extremely rare occasions when they do make such a statement, it is never to answer WHY questions.