(Monterey) Metadata Field loses focus and triggers KBSCs

[erikellestad]

I am using Lightroom Classic 12.4 in MacOS 12.6.6.

Since one of the more recent updates of the MacOS version of Lightroom Classic I have been have been having an issue where I will be typing text into the Library metadata fields ("title", "caption", etc.) and it will suddenly trigger some sort of lightroom keyboard shortcut and take me to a "Develop" feature I didn't mean to invoke. This is super annoying! Most recently it caused the photo whose Metadata I was editing to be hidden or moved in the Library somehow so it no longer even shows up in Lightroom search. Again, this is super annoying.

Is there a way to disable keyboard shortcuts or at least could they not be invoked when the mouse or keyboard focus is on a Library Metadata field?

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Comma works correctly as well. 

[Bob Somrak]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography 

It only happens with Monterey.  Works correctly with newer Mac OS's

[oldpiefke]

Have you tested on what version of macOS on which machine?

Congratulation quick change to newest system on your machine. What Machine (MAC) you are using?

I will also test this next week on my daughters MAC which is also the newest version.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I wonder if that indicates it was a fixed macOS problem that has long since been fixed?

[oldpiefke]

I just finsished my phonecall and remote desktop with ADOBE INDIA and they have fully replacated the failure and are working on it

Best regards FJ

[Bob Somrak]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography 

The bug is as follows

1  Start LrC on Monterey

2 Type the first character of a Keyword for instance.  The character is inserted but the field is deselected

3 You have to reselect the field and then it works for the rest of the LrC session

I think it was introduced in one of the LrC 12 versions, probably when Adobe updated to a new Apple programming library so it apparently was a change Apple made.

[oldpiefke]

Again and last time from my side. Failure has been already with Big Sur and is still with Monterey and failure occures  up from vers 12.4 in LrC classic. Failure is not with LrC ver 12, neither with BigSur nor with Monterey

Finishline. Propse, we wait for the update from ADOBE

BR FJ

[oldpiefke]

Hey Rikk,

have to come back to your commands. I just had a video conference with my daugther in Austria to test the case on the newest MACBookAir with macOS14.1 and LrC13.01. Result is : It works. I think, this could become a nightmare for old MAC-users. I cannot install more advanced versions than macOS12.7, or buy a new machine. My archiv I can also not go back to LrC 12.3, because the new functionalities up from vers 12.4 are essential. Does mean : I / we hope ADOBE will find a got solution for "Old users"

Best regards with  a strong hope from Franconia

Franz-Josef

[oldpiefke]

please let me know, whether I can help. Since now had three sessions with your collegues from India, but I wonder whether is still clear how and when failure occurs. Its only the first input after start of LrC into the keyword section. Hre is taken the first character and this is creating directly the exit from the keyword section, so that next character input is taken as shortcut

[helennium]

Last week I was on a videoconference call with two Lightroom techs about the issue where bright colored pixels appear in shadow areas in the Develop module, and I demonstrated it for them in real time so they saw it.

[Conrad_C]

OK, I have recently started to see this myself, recently. It is not easy to reproduce, because it doesn’t always happen. It took me several tries of restarting Lightroom Classic to record an instance of it happening, but there it is (see animation below). I tried to write the caption “Sunset view of…” but you can see that only the S got recorded as a caption before Lightroom Classic exited field focus, and once that happened, as already reported by others, with no field in focus, Lightroom Classic interprets keystrokes as shortcuts.

In my demo, when you see the image change to acquire a black border, that’s because by the time I typed the “n” in sunset, Lightroom Classic had escaped the caption field and interpreted that as the N shortcut for Survey view, which adds black borders to each image preview.

And yes, I have also seen this happen with other metadata such as keywords.

So you can now add me to the side that has seen this bug in action. 🙂

macOS 12.7.1

MacBook Pro M1 Pro

Lightroom Classic 13.0.1, but I’ve probably seen it in an earlier version.

[Bob Somrak]

YES,  this is a bug still in the latest LrC 13.   The issue is it only happens on Monterey which is still a supported OS.  As said before, this ONLY happens the first time you type something in a metadata field after starting LrC.  Easy work around if you remember.

[oldpiefke]

Hey Bob,

yes easy to go arround, but what if you press backdelete you will be asked by the system to delete foto and if you are quick, like always when typing keywords, you might loose a picture. THANK YOU, bad thing which should be quickly repaired

Try it please and press twice backdelete as first option in keyword field :-((

[alun21]

Yes, I can confirm this bug exists in Lightroom Classic 13.0.1 and MacOS 12.7.1.

As has been said before, it only happens the first time you type into a metadata field after starting LrC.

In my screen recording I have started to type the word "office" in as a keyword. The "o" is entered as a keyword, but the next letter "f" triggers the full screen preview.

Oh well, I have a video that I've tried to insert here. Tried dropbox and youtube, but it keeps coming up with an error when I enter the url. How to others do it? Anyway, the bug is real 🙂

[alun21]

Here's the screen recording ... 

[John R Ellis]

Moderators, @Rikk Flohr: Photography, please merge with this existing thread:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/clicking-in-keyword-field-after-importi...

[RobNSB]

I can confirm that this is happeneing to me too, Lightroom 13.5.1 in OSX 12.7.6 Monterey. Exactly as others are describing. If I have multiple images selected in Grid view, click in the Caption metadata field and start to type a caption, the first letter only is accepted, and immediately LRC flashes up a progress bar in the top left, presumably as it applies that single letter caption to all the images. I'm aware of it now, so after one letter I wait, then reselect the Caption field to continue. But if I forget, then as reported all of the following letters are seen as shortcut keystrokes and all sorts of mayhem happens! Screens, views, options all triggered and I have to restart LRC to try to get back to where I was. This is surely a bug?

[John R Ellis]

@RobNSB: "This is surely a bug?"

Yes. But it's only been reported for Mac OS 12 and earlier. That makes it less likely Adobe will prioritize a fix:

- LR 14 is due in mid-October.

- LR 14 will likely only support Mac OS 13 or later (*)

- Adobe only supports the most recent version of LR.

So in six weeks, this bug will no longer affect a supported version of LR.

(*) History of LR's support for Mac OS:

LR 13 -- Mac OS 12 or later

LR 12 -- Mac OS 11 or later

LR 11 -- Mac OS 10.15 or later

[RobNSB]

I understand all of that, and thank you for the versioning details. but LR13 IS a supposted product and the system specifications state that it IS capable of running in OS12, https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/system-requirements.html and therefore this is a bug which should be fixed in my opinion. For Adobe to wait 6 weeks until any obligation to fix this expires seems lazy to me. That's my opinion.