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tristan33
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September 10, 2020
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Nikon Z6 built-in lens profile by default - Big distorsion and big vignetting

  • September 10, 2020
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Hello,

 

There is a problem with the built-in lens profile for Nikon Z6 : there is a big distorsion and big vignetting.

I use Nikon NIKKOR Z 50mm/f/1.8 S

After uploading NEF file, built-in is selected by default? I understand that BUT :

it is set distorsion to 0 and Vignetting to 0. And the result is so ugly.

 

And if I custom the good lens profile Nikon Z6 : the distorsion and vignetting are set to 100 and the photo is good.

 

What is this problem? I contacted 2 Adobe agent and they do not have answers.. It seems to be a problem.

Many thank's for answering.

 

Tristan

default built-in lens profile (which has bad distorsion and vignetting) :

 

Nikon lens profile selected manually (which is good) :

  

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Correct answer Jao vdL

Jao,

 

yes you are right with the distorsion. It seems good with buit-in.

1) But it seems the built-in vignette control is set on 18. It seems so much real when it is set on 50, don't you think?

 

2) Here is another example of a NEF file which seems to me so much vignetting... : https://we.tl/t-oxu3qTp5SG

On this image, the couple seems to be shot with a light on them!.... It was not.

 

What are your settings on your camera?


You it is unfortunate that with the built-in profile you can't control the amount of vignette correction in Lightroom. You are right, the image looks better in capture NX-D when you set the vignette correction to 50. It seems that Lightroom applies a bit to little vignette correction. It does correct only about half of what there is. What I would do is turn on the profile correction and drag the slider in Lightroom for distortion correction to zero. The built- in profile is already applied so you don't need any extra distortion correction. Then drag the vignette slider to somewhere around 50. That seems to take care of the remaining vignette. With the shot of the couple, I would personally not do any more correction. I like the bit of vignette that is there as it helps draw attention to the couple. I would probably give it a bit extra vignette even.

 

 

5 replies

DdeGannes
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September 10, 2020

Ok I have done a test with some Nikon Z6 files with the Nikor Z 50mm f/1.8S this is what I get with one of the files. The builtin lens profile is applied and if I select Enable lens profile corrections it just indicates builtin profile. If I select custom the Nikor AF-S 50mm f/1.8 S profile gets selected. There is no Nikor Z 50mm lens profile in the list of Adobe Profiles available for Nikon.

See the screen capture. The is a difference in the lighting but little or no distortion correction for either lens.

It certainly looks that two profiles are applied. See the screen capture.

 

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
tristan33
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September 12, 2020

Yes this is exatcly what I did and I thank you for this example!

 

Can you test my NEF file and do again whait youy just did with your image? : https://we.tl/t-xh3azjVest

I would like that you tell me what you think about the distorsion and the vignetting which are so present on this NEF file, even before we put it on Lightroom...

 

Can you share me your camera settings to have a good result for no vignetting?

 

Thank you !

DdeGannes
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 12, 2020

Ok, I had a go with your image and would like to just add the following note to what I posted in a thread by another user of a Nikon Z body.

"The concept of built-in lens profiles as far as I recall was started about ten years ago when Olympus and Panasonic started their m4/3 lens mount and Camera bodies, this was followed by Fuji X, Sony E and more recently Nikon Z has built-in lens correction capability. This is necessary in order to keep everything small, the lenses design generally create such significant distortion that it NEEDS to be corrected at source.

If you are unhappy with the built-in profile then it's best you lobby the Camera Manufacturer to provide a firmware update to the Camera / Lens." end quote.

With respect to your particular file, I see the same raw conversion as you on import. I have made a slight "Vignetting" in the Effects tab. Also, there are significant blown highlights in most of the top left portion of the image. You can also choose to crop and do the vignetting correction post-crop.

in earlier posts, Jao has provided some very vital points.

 

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
Community Expert
September 10, 2020

I don't own your particular lens but I looked for some 50mm shots with straight lines in it and here is a shot taken with a AFS 50mm F/1.8 on the FTZ adapator on my Z7. The shot was at f/1.8. I drew some straight lines (in red) to show that using just the built-in profile the distortion is completely corrected and when I enable the profile corrections, which auto selects the correct lens, There is over correction making the straight lines bow inwards which you can see from them peeking under the straight lines. Also the vignette correction is way overdone and appears to brighten the entire image. The "built-in" profile image is corrected correctly in my opinion. If I show you shots done at 14 mm using my 14-24 mm lens it is way more obvious that the built-in profile corrects all distortion and that selecting the profile corrections overcorrects the image but since this is virtually the same lens as yours I thought this was an appropriate illustration. Also, if I open in Nikon Capture and make sure the lens corrections and vignette corrections are enabled, the image is the same as using just the built-in profile. Unselecting the lens corrections makes the horizontal lines bow upwards in the middle as you expect as the uncorrected image should have slight barrel distortion. 

 

tristan33
tristan33Author
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September 12, 2020

I think you are right and I want to thank you for this example and the time you give me.

BUT there is something that I do not understand on you image on the left : the vignetting seems to be present : we can see that clearly on the guy on the right which is less bright that the photo ont the right with enable profile corrections.

What do you think : the image on the left is the reality for the light in the extremities? or the image on the right is the reality for the loght on the guy on the right?

Can you share me the correct settings for the camera for vignetting and distorsion?

 

Many thank's again

Community Expert
September 12, 2020

Hi Tristan. I shared the seettings in camera above. Note that Lightroom ignores those settings. Capture-NXD applies those settings but you can change them in the program.

 

To me the image of the roping practice above looks correct on the left. You can see the lighting situation there at the top of the image. If people are directly standing under one of those lights they will be brighter than when they are in between. I see nothing there that I would call a vignette. Certainly not on the guy on the right. The vignette from the lens would not really affect him anyway as the lens vignette really mostly only affects the corners of the image. Note that it is really hard to get homogeneous lighting anywhere in natural conditions so you always expect a bit of variation.

Community Expert
September 10, 2020

AF-S lenses are automatically distortion corrected by the built-in profile on the Z-series. In fact you can't turn this off. When you manually select the lens, you will get double correction. I have extensively tested this and whether you have Z lenses or AF/S lenses, Lightroom applies distortion correction to files from Z cameras using the built-in profiles. My guess is that the first image is already corrected just fine for distortion although of course the 50 f/1.8 has barely any distortion to start with. It might be that the vignetting correction Nikon embeds in the raw file is not very aggressive and it might actually react to the in-camera settings on vignetting correction which is why you see some effect on vignetting.

DdeGannes
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September 10, 2020

I am not a Nikon user however I downloaded 5 sample raw files from the z6, with several lenses and am in the process of doing some testing and tend to agree with what Jao indicates. There have been a number of posts in the past few weeks concerning this same issue.

It would be interesting to hear from other Nikon users with respect to info from Nikon.

 

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
JohanElzenga
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September 10, 2020

I think the explanation is simple. Z-lenses have built-in profiles, but you used an AF-S lens which is a DSLR lens (via an adapter, I assume). DSLR lenses do not have a built-in lens profile, and so you needed to apply one. The fact that Lightroom said that a built-in profile was applied is probably because it does say so automatically for this camera, or because the adapter suggests that.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
tristan33
tristan33Author
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September 10, 2020

I wrote a mistake (I just corrected it) : I use NIKKOR Z lense : this one : NIKKOR Z 50mm/f/1.8 S and I have the problem I described

Just Shoot Me
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September 10, 2020

So people don't have to download the image you have attached to your post please Edit your post to remove the Attached screen shot and Include it in the body of the text of your post.

You do that by Clicking the "More..." link at the bottom of your post, Selecting "Edit Message" and then use the "Insert Photos" icon in the tool bar at the top of the Post/Reply/Edit dialog box like this.


Thank you.