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October 13, 2011
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P: always case sensitive for extended characters: øæå ÆØÅ

  • October 13, 2011
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I am teaching Lightroom in my local Photoclub, and we discovered something we think is a bug.

Lightroom is case sensitive for a-Z, but in Norway we have 3 more letters. æøå og ÆØÅ. And these letters are treated as special characters.

When I try to search for keyword, I have to search with correct case.

This is very annoying. It will be the same for Danish users.

Best regards,
Tom Jarane

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    Parkiotis
    Participant
    August 19, 2024

    Greetings. I use Lightroom classic as a database for vintage photos of my community. Being in Greece, I use Greek wording. Example: Donkey in Greek, is Γαϊδούρι, Γάιδαρος, Γαϊδουράκι. 
    In English, whether I search for 'Donkey' or 'donkey' the same results appear.
    Not in Greek!
    For Lightroom, γάϊδαρος, Γάϊδαρος, Γάιδαρος, γάιδαρος, ΓΑΪΔΑΡΟΣ (which are pronounced the same) are 5 different results! The main problem is Lightroom not only does not speak Greek 🙂 , it does not 'know' the Greek Alphabet, especially NOT to make a distiction between capital and lower case letters.
    As the tagging was done over a period of years (I have ~28.000 photos in the database), with faces and subjects, I would say I have a little problem. Which I did not have with Picasa, the application I started with, a long time ago.
    Any suggestion, apart fron redoing the tagging, is welcome.
    Thank you.

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    August 20, 2024

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    It's a very old bug that's never been fixed, unfortunately. To reproduce on LR 13.5 / Mac OS 14.6.1 and Windows 11:

     

    1. Assign the keyword Γάϊδαρος to a photo.

     

    2. In the Library Filter bar, do "Text: Keywords <operator> γάϊδαρος". This table shows which operators correctly ignore case on Mac and Windows:

     

     

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    allen-c
    Participating Frequently
    October 30, 2017
    Very true !
    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    October 29, 2017
    At this point, I think it's very unlikely Adobe will fix these long-standing bugs and issues in Library.  Victoria Bampton (Lightroom Queen), who is very plugged-in to Adobe, wrote, "Future development of Lightroom Classic is being refocused on improving performance and enhancing the editing tools."  So whatever "focus" there was previously on Library, it is diminished going forward.
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    allen-c
    Participating Frequently
    October 29, 2017
    So 6 years on we have Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC and we still don't have a fix to this problem ! Admittedly implementing a solution is unlikely to allow Adobe to sell more subscriptions but, at a time when people are asking themselves whether sticking with LR is a good idea, a little bit of "bonne volonté" (goodwill) would not be amiss. Surely there's a trainee somewhere who could prove his worth by implementing the correction.
    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    September 3, 2017
    Part of this problem has been fixed.  The Lua function LrStringUtils.lower ("Б") now correctly returns "б".

    However, searching still doesn't properly ignore case.  E.g. doing "Any Searchable Field Contains б" doesn't match a photo containing "Б" in its caption field.

    Tested in CC 2015.12 / OS X 10.12.6.
    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    October 4, 2013
    "there's something wrong with routines that Lightroom uses for comparing words"

    Indeed. The LR plugin SDK's function LrStringUtils.lower() is to supposed to return the lower-case version of a string, but it does so only for ASCII letters. E.g. LrStringUtils.lower ("Б") returns "Б", not "б".
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    juke99
    Participating Frequently
    October 4, 2013
    I am pretty sure that this bug affects most of non-english speakers who uses own native language for keywording with upper case letter for proper nouns.

    As a programmer, I can only guess that there's something wrong with routines that Lightroom uses for comparing words. Obviously only (ancient) 7 bit US-ASCII character set is taken account in incase sensitive comparison and all other characters are treated like a different characters.

    I don't know why only few bug reports exists. Perhaps most users doesn't realize what really is wrong and just tries to live with a bug when it troubles.
    (for making searches work, one can always add lower case version of keyword to synonyms).
    However, this doesn't help with keyword list's filtration.

    This bug should be relative easy to fix... For those who uses language that is written in some form of latin alphabets.
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    FeedbackCommunityMemberAuthor
    Inspiring
    February 3, 2013
    This bug also affects Lithuanian users.
    Rytis Umbrasas
    Lithuania
    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    April 6, 2012
    See this related topic:

    http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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    allen-c
    Participating Frequently
    March 29, 2012
    I would suggest that a lot more than 2 people have problems in the way LR handles letters carrying accents. In French it so happens that capital letters don't usually carry accents and adding an accent to an A, E, I and U isn't particularly easy, so people don't usually bother. However the way that LR handles accents and localisation specificities such as these Norwegian characters indicates that Adobe hasn't put as much thought into this matter as, I think, it should.
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