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P: Changing Feathering changes radial size

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September 1, 2023
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Yet another annoyance after reporting healing areas getting larger each time you click...

I have now found that making any adjustments to radial filters causes the filter to increase in size. Drastically!

If you make any changes to the width, length or feathering it simply increases, time and time again I have had to give up using radial filters.

Does no one check this sort of thing with new releases?

I am using Lightoom Classic v12.5 on a Mac running Ventura 13.5.1

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johnrellis

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"If you make any changes to the width, length or feathering it simply increases, time and time again I have had to give up using radial filters."

Can you please make a screen recording (not a phone video) of the misbehavior, being sure to include both the mask being adjusted and the entire masking panel?

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waltoncreativeAuthor

Inspiring

Hi John,

A restart of my Mac and Lightroom seems to have fixed it. Phew. I should have done that first!

johnrellis

Legend

Glad you got it resolved.

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

I just noticed that Lightroom desktop behaves the same way, so I'm afraid this is probably 'as designed' (even though I do not think it makes sense). Moving it back to discussions...

-- Johan W. Elzenga

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

It's an interesting dilemma if you think about it. If you draw a radial gradient where the inner part of the circle is the part that is masked and changed by the mask sliders, then the current behavior does not make sense in my opinion. In this case you draw what you want to mask, so your focus is on the inner circle. If you decide to change the feathering, then the inner circle should stay the same size, and the outer circle should become smaller if you decrease the feathering and become bigger if you increase it.

But now think about the opposite. You draw an inverted radial gradient because you want to add some vignetting. In this case it makes sense that the outer circle is the boundary of your mask, and the inner circle depends on how much feathering you use. So in this case the current behavior does make sense...

Maybe this shoud be an option, so that the user can decide which circle changes if the feathering is changed?

-- Johan W. Elzenga

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

I agree with @Suzanne Mathia and @johnrellis The slider for adjustment is called Feathering, not size so it should adjust the feather line oval and is intuitive. The behavior shouldn't change if it is inverted or not.

I agree with @Suzanne Mathia and @johnrellis The slider for adjustment is called Feathering, not size so it should adjust the feather line oval and is intuitive. The behavior shouldn't change if it is inverted or not.

By @Bob Somrak

But that is my point. It does not adjust the feather line if you use the filter to mask the inside of the circle. It adjusts the inner circle, which is the line where the mask is at 100%. The feather line is the outer circle in this case, where feathering ends. At least that is how I see it.

Imagine the following scenario. You photographed a hole in a wall. You want to make it look like a strong light is shining through that hole, so you add a radial filter the size of that hole. You adjust the exposure and perhaps add negative dehaze. Now you want to feather it to make the effect believable. That means you need the 100% mask to remain the size of the hole, and the feathering to go around the hole. In other words: the feathering must be added outside the inital mask outline. The feather slider does not do that however. It will shrink the inner circle, so it applies the feathering inside the initial mask outline. To me, that is not intuitive at all.

Anyway, if that is how it always was, and not something that changed all of a sudden, then I guess it is how it will remain.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

@Rikk Flohr: Inactive I can reproduce this on my Mac, so I have moved this to the bugs section. If you change the feathering, then the inner circle is changed rather than the outer circle.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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