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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

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System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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josé manuelá32411923

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Muy bueno

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f8lee

Inspiring

Well, the generative removal tool does not seem to work on power lines. Photo of a setting sun (so lots of orange); power lines with no background other than the orange sky) - attempts to select the power lines themselves proved fruitless. After a few seconds of "thinking" the power lines were not altered in any way.

Running on a MacBook M3 Pro - 18GB RAM, Sonoma 14.5.1

johnrellis

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@f8lee: "After a few seconds of "thinking" the power lines were not altered in any way."

Working with the low-resolution export you attached, I can easily remove the power lines one by one:

Since that export stripped all the clueful metadata, I can't give precise remedies, but things to check:

- Make sure the Opacity slider is 100.

- When you select a line, make sure you select the entire line -- if you leave any bits unselected, Remove will generate a matching replacement.

- Detect Objects often doesn't work very well with lines -- uncheck it.

- If you had previously applied Crop, Transform, or Lens Corrections, undo those, apply Remove, and then redo them. Remove will match the unselected cropped-out pixels on the edges otherwise.

But if this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, including all metadata.

When removing objects against a uniform sky, Remove sometimes doesn't do a good job of blending in the replacement. I got better-blended replacements by making the edges of the selected ragged and selecting the lower three lines in one selection:

johnrellis

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@f8lee, also, the older Content-Aware Remove does a fine job removing the lines, doing one short segment at a time. To do Content-Aware Remove, select Mode: Remove and uncheck Use Generative AI.

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Coopie10

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I was excited to try the update using the removal tool with Generative AI in LRC . I had a telephone pole against a blue sky that needed to be removed. Unfortunately, LRC did not get the job done. Sometimes it deleted a piece of the pole, sometimes it gave me a crooked wobbly pole, but never did it entirely remove the pole. I am most disappointed.

johnrellis

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Remove easily removed the pole and its shadow from your screenshot:

Your screenshot shows that you've cropped and applied masking. In general, you should Remove first, then crop and use AI masking. See this article for more details:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Emosie24472695pp4c

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1. En la mayoria de los casos simplente queremos que borre el fondo no que cree nada nuevo, la versión anterior creo que lo hacia mejor.

2 La selección del objeto toma una zona mas amplia que antes y modifica al sujeto cuando no quiero que lo haga.

Gracias por vuestras mejoras

johnrellis

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@Emosie24472695pp4c: ". In most cases we simply want it to erase the background, not create anything new, I think the previous version did it better."

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from an unmodified original photo in which LR 14 isn't doing as well as you'd like. There have been a number of complaints that LR 13 did it better, but so far no one has provided any examples.

NetHawk

Known Participant

In general, the tool is impressive. What I struggle with is that if I want to remove a hydrant, for example, it gets replaced by another type of hydrant instead of being removed altogether. I tried all sorts of tricks, but in the end I had to resort to Photoshop.

johnrellis

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@NetHawk: "if I want to remove a hydrant, for example, it gets replaced by another type of hydrant instead of being removed altogether. "

With your attached JPEG, Remove quickly removed the hydrant:

The photo's metadata indicates you had cropped the original raw along the bottom. Remove looks at all the photo's pixels, including those cropped out by Crop, Lens Corrections, and Transform. So undo the crop, apply Remove, then redo the crop.

See this article for more details on this and other tips for removing objects more reliably:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

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bonnieleek

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It started GREAT .. then instead of removing the objects it just kept them in place and trhe "variations" had shaddows of them. Now I can't get it to work anymore. Grrr

johnrellis

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@bonnieleek: "instead of removing the objects it just kept them in place and trhe "variations" had shaddows of them. "

Make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

You'll have to make at least one brush stroke to see the slider.

If that doesn't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

fd31069616

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It seems like the AI Remove isn't as good at the Beta version. When removing people along the edge of a photo, the AI creates a horiffic non-human replacement instead of simply showing stairs, or a fence, or a whatever is in the background. It seems like most people will use this tool to remove other people, so it seems counterintuitive for the AI to try (and I mean try) to add it's own version of what it thinks people look like. There should be a toggle where we let the AI add people or make sure it doesn't replace the remove with AI generated people.

johnrellis

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@fd31069616: "When removing people along the edge of a photo..."

Remove looks at pixels that have been cropped out by Crop, Transform, and Lens Corrections. So undo those commands, do Remove, then reapply them. If that doesn't help, you may be editing a raw from a camera that automatically crops out a border along the edges of the photo, and Remove looks at those cropped-out pixels too; see here for how to workaround that bug:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-border-pixels-automatically-cropped-by-camera-raw/m-p/14925572

If this still doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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jacobsquires

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This latest version in demonstrably worse than before. I'm trying to "REMOVE" a person and Generative AI keeps filling it in with another person. You REALLY NEED a button to say fill with surrounding background and a checkbox no People, or Pets.

C.Cella

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Lots of users are saying the older version was better.

I have checked and unelss I am mistakenly Gen Remove in LrC 13 and LrC 14 is using the same ModelVersion(s)

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johnrellis

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@C.Cella: "unelss I am mistakenly Gen Remove in LrC 13 and LrC 14 is using the same ModelVersion(s)"

Running Any Filter on my LR 13 and LR 14 catalogs shows that the Generative AI Model Version did change between LR 13 and 14:

- Almost all photos in my LR 13 catalog use version 1.0.5-beta.1-1.2_1.2-8c2cea4-0.1.27.1r16.2.

- Older photos in my LR 14 catalog use version 1.0.5-beta.1-1.2_1.2-8c2cea4-0.1.27.1r16.2, while photos edited recently use 1.0.5-beta.1-1.2_1.2-8c2cea4-a6.

Interestingly, there are a few photos in the LR 13 catalog using the newer model on 10/2/2024 and the older model on 10/10/2024. Since the model version actually used may be determined by the Firely servers and not the LR app, perhapst Firefly jumped the gun and used the newer model for a bit around 10/2 and then backed up to the older model until the LR 14 release on 10/14.

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In addition to the model changing, Detect Objects changed as well, using a larger border around the detected objects.

However, without seeing actual examples, it is premature to conclude that the change in model or Detect Objects is the cause of the complaints. So far, only one person has uploaded a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original showing bad behavior, and that turned out to be an errant Opacity slider.

So until more people experiencing issues upload full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified originals, I don't think Adobe will likely pay much attention.

MichaelN0815

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LRc 14.0.1 ; WIndows 11 23H2

scrolling through pictures with AI masks increases GPU VRAM use very fast. Reaching 100% slows down LR. Only restart of LR helps for short time.

johnrellis

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@MichaelN0815: "scrolling through pictures with AI masks increases GPU VRAM use very fast."

Most problems with LR's AI commands are caused by older, buggy graphics drivers. Try updating your graphics driver by going directly to the manufacturer's web site:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/troubleshoot-gpu.html#solution-4

If that doesn't help, please copy/paste here the entire contents of the LR menu command Help > System Info -- that will let us see exactly which versions of hardware and software LR thinks you're running.

SADDLE-UP

Participating Frequently

Sometimes amazing, sometimes crap.
I wax and wane between love it and hate it.
AI is human, it can be seriously dumb 😞

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