P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[fd31069616]

It seems like the AI Remove isn't as good at the Beta version. When removing people along the edge of a photo, the AI creates a horiffic non-human replacement instead of simply showing stairs, or a fence, or a whatever is in the background. It seems like most people will use this tool to remove other people, so it seems counterintuitive for the AI to try (and I mean try) to add it's own version of what it thinks people look like. There should be a toggle where we let the AI add people or make sure it doesn't replace the remove with AI generated people.

[johnrellis]

@fd31069616: "When removing people along the edge of a photo..."

Remove looks at pixels that have been cropped out by Crop, Transform, and Lens Corrections. So undo those commands, do Remove, then reapply them.  If that doesn't help, you may be editing a raw from a camera that automatically crops out a border along the edges of the photo, and Remove looks at those cropped-out pixels too; see here for how to workaround that bug:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-bo... 

If this still doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[bonnieleek]

It started GREAT .. then instead of removing the objects it just kept them in place and trhe "variations" had shaddows of them.  Now I can't get it to work anymore.  Grrr

[johnrellis]

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@bonnieleek: "instead of removing the objects it just kept them in place and trhe "variations" had shaddows of them. "

Make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

You'll have to make at least one brush stroke to see the slider. 

If that doesn't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[NetHawk]

In general, the tool is impressive. What I struggle with is that if I want to remove a hydrant, for example, it gets replaced by another type of hydrant instead of being removed altogether. I tried all sorts of tricks, but in the end I had to resort to Photoshop.

[johnrellis]

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@NetHawk: "if I want to remove a hydrant, for example, it gets replaced by another type of hydrant instead of being removed altogether. "

With your attached JPEG, Remove quickly removed the hydrant:

The photo's metadata indicates you had cropped the original raw along the bottom. Remove looks at all the photo's pixels, including those cropped out by Crop, Lens Corrections, and Transform. So undo the crop, apply Remove, then redo the crop.   

See this article for more details on this and other tips for removing objects more reliably:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

[Emosie24472695pp4c]

1. En la mayoria de los casos simplente queremos que borre el fondo no que cree nada nuevo, la versión anterior creo que lo hacia mejor.

2 La selección del objeto toma una zona  mas amplia que antes y modifica al sujeto cuando no quiero que lo haga.

Gracias por vuestras mejoras

[johnrellis]

@Emosie24472695pp4c: ". In most cases we simply want it to erase the background, not create anything new, I think the previous version did it better."

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from an unmodified original photo in which LR 14 isn't doing as well as you'd like. There have been a number of complaints that LR 13 did it better, but so far no one has provided any examples.

[Coopie10]

I was excited to try the update using the removal tool with Generative AI in LRC . I had a telephone pole against a blue sky that needed to be removed. Unfortunately, LRC did not get the job done. Sometimes it deleted a piece of the pole, sometimes it gave me a crooked wobbly pole, but never did it entirely remove the pole. I am most disappointed. 

[johnrellis]

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Remove easily removed the pole and its shadow from your screenshot:

Your screenshot shows that you've cropped and applied masking. In general, you should Remove first, then crop and use AI masking. See this article for more details:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[f8lee]

Well, the generative removal tool does not seem to work on power lines. Photo of a setting sun (so lots of orange); power lines with no background other than the orange sky) - attempts to select the power lines themselves proved fruitless. After a few seconds of "thinking" the power lines were not altered in any way.

Running on a MacBook M3 Pro - 18GB RAM, Sonoma 14.5.1

[johnrellis]

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@f8lee: "After a few seconds of "thinking" the power lines were not altered in any way."

Working with the low-resolution export you attached, I can easily remove the power lines one by one:

 Since that export stripped all the clueful metadata, I can't give precise remedies, but things to check:

- Make sure the Opacity slider is 100.

- When you select a line, make sure you select the entire line -- if you leave any bits unselected, Remove will generate a matching replacement.

- Detect Objects often doesn't work very well with lines -- uncheck it.

- If you had previously applied Crop, Transform, or Lens Corrections, undo those, apply Remove, and then redo them. Remove will match the unselected cropped-out pixels on the edges otherwise.

But if this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, including all metadata.

When removing objects against a uniform sky, Remove sometimes doesn't do a good job of blending in the replacement. I got better-blended replacements by making the edges of the selected ragged and selecting the lower three lines in one selection:

[johnrellis]

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@f8lee, also, the older Content-Aware Remove does a fine job removing the lines, doing one short segment at a time. To do Content-Aware Remove, select Mode: Remove and uncheck Use Generative AI.

[josé manuelá32411923]

Muy bueno

[Lana30886869tg7s]

The new version is terrible. the older version was much more intuitive and would remove objects in the background easily. Please go back to the older version. 

[jessielanawayphoto]

Completely agree.  The new version is absolutely terrible. 

[johnrellis]

@Lana30886869tg7s: "the older version was much more intuitive and would remove objects in the background easily. "

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from an unmodified original photo in which LR 14 isn't doing as well as you'd like. There have been a number of complaints that LR 13 did it better, but so far no one has provided any examples, so the feedback isn't actionable.

[GerbenPhoto]

Hi! If I use Generative Remove in Lightroom and for instance want to remove somebody's head in the foreground it doenst remove the head, but replaceses is for another head. Why is that? I want to remove, not replace. 

[johnrellis]

@GerbenPhoto: "remove somebody's head in the foreground it doesn't remove the head, but replaces it for another head."

You need to remove all parts of the person's body, including shoulders or arms or whatever that are disconnected from the head, and remove all shadows. If you leave any bits behind, Remove will try to match them.  See this article for an example and more details:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[tokyomagic]

Excellent, more useless AI rubbish bloating the software. 

When will adobe do an optimisation pass on lightroom?

[snoitanb]

On my first attempt to use it it wasn't even close.  It merely changed the appearance of the object I was trying to remove.

[johnrellis]

@tokyomagic: "It merely changed the appearance of the object I was trying to remove."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[ushj24481867]

Sometimes it does just fine, but other times the suggestions either don't blend in at all or the mask of what needs to be changed isn't functioning correctly. I don't think it recognizes the boundaries of the mask even when I subtract parts. It still alters the image in parts of the mask that were deleted before generating a suggestion. It's easier to just go into Ps Beta for generative fill at that point (even though it's a headache to plug my hard drive in/it slows down the system), but I enjoy being able to use the LrC version on smart previews.

I wish there was some kind of magnetic lasso function to make selection easier. I feel like there was a simliar function before, but I don't see it on my toolbar anymore. 

Also, if we can bring the "remove tool" from Ps over, that would be great lol the healing tool in Lr just doesn't do it for me. Thank you! 

[ksmch]

I just need to show it somebody) I was expected to generate lips without tongue. Likely I got that result  because of zone I masked was looks like an eye

[?ukasz_W3127]

Every now and then the elements I delete reappear and I get a message in that section: "some deletion settings need to be updated" and I have to use generative deletion again. In a moment (e.g. when I generate some photos) it happens again and again... (same with AI powered masks) And my generative points are taken away from me.

I ask for an immediate fix for this problem and a refund of the generative points.

Best regards