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August 13, 2024
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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

  • August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Participant
October 24, 2024

useless, way b ehind other apps

Participating Frequently
October 24, 2024

The AI remove tool in LR Classic is insanely useless. 
It is so bad that I don't even want to risk wasting time to try it. 
It seems to work in about 10% of cases but almost always it replaces the object it's supposed to remove, with a similar object. 
Want to remove a straight street lantern from an image? Here's a weird looking street lantern in a different style

johnrellis
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October 24, 2024

@Patrick22616748c1sx: "almost always it replaces the object it's supposed to remove, with a similar object. Want to remove a straight street lantern from an image? Here's a weird looking street lantern in a different style"

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participating Frequently
October 25, 2024

Thanks for trying, but this article isn't helpful at all. 
It's basically saying "make the selection bigger" which I already did. 

I've been working with photoshop for 20 years now, using LR heavily for my job of 3 years and I love how I rarely need to open Photoshop in order to get the desired look/edit. 
I have experience in selections, masking, removing objects and everything, I have never complained about a specific tool before, so I think it's fair to say that when a lot of people, including me, say it doesn't work as it's supposed to, you have people that are experienced with the way they use tools within Adobe software. 

I've tried several times with all kinds of different images and issues and I am not going to touch the tool again until I see 80-90% of the people saying it's working now. 
It's often amazing to see what the various remove tools in PS are capable of but at the same time really frustrating and surprising to see how bad the LR equivalent works. 

Participant
October 24, 2024

In the latest update in Lightroom Classic on Generative Remove Tool, it just refuses to remove faces. As alternates it keeps giving new faces and no option to just remove face and provide clean background as an alternate. This is so frustrating

johnrellis
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October 24, 2024

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@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336: "In the latest update in Lightroom Classic on Generative Remove Tool, it just refuses to remove faces. As alternates it keeps giving new faces"

 

Your screenshot shows there are two causes, both related to the general principle that you have to select all of the object you want to replace -- if you leave any bits remaining, Remove will try to match the remaining parts:

 

 

1. You didn't select all of the person's arm.

 

2. You have to select all the disconnected pieces of a person. Your screenshot is ambiguous, but it looks like you tried to include the lower body of the person. The screenshot doesn't show if you selected every bit of that person.

 

There's also a UI design misfeature that Adobe hasn't acknowledged as such. Though Adobe tells you to select all of the disconnected parts of the object, if you make disconnected selections, Remove will treat them separately when it goes to remove, and you're likely to get "replace" instread of "remove".  So you need to apply an obscure trick (described in more detail here).

 

First select all of the bits of the person with a single selection (making sure Detect Objects is unchecked):

 

Then before clicking Remove, use Subtract to delete the parts of the selection you don't want removed:

 

Then click Remove:

 

It's too bad that Remove still has such rough edges. Once you learn about its quirks, it does a very good job, quickly.

 

If you're still having trouble with this photo, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.

 

 

 

C.Cella
Legend
October 24, 2024

@Jasminder Singh_Obero8336

Can you share the photo of the woman in your example ?

I need to verify one thing.

 

 

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Participant
October 24, 2024

i hope this tool can just simple change the selected background to plain colour backdrop, because there's time that studio shooting , the backdrop papre was not wide enough, and i needed to edit the background that is not covered with the backdrop paper. The generative remove background can only replace the selected with other similar object and it is hard to get just neat and nice clean background. 

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2024

@Zach31383290h5az: "the backdrop paper was not wide enough ... it is hard to get just neat and nice clean background.:"

 

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.  

Participating Frequently
October 23, 2024

As a feedback: The Generative AI feature in LRC is absolute garbage. But that's not what pisses me off the most, but the fact that the other cleaning tools - heal and clone - have NOT IMPROVED in AGES. I don't need a slow and imprecise generative AI feature! I need the heal and clone tools to be as efficient in LRC as they are in PS, They do an absolute terrible job in cleaning, god forbid if you want to remove an item that is "touching" the subject.. it makes a mess!

 

I also do not want to create a 400mb PSD file for most of the 80~100 images I have in each job in order to use PS. I need the tools of my batch image editing software to be QUICK and EFFECTIVE. PLEASE. PLEASE FIX IT.

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2024

@Brittow: "The Generative AI feature in LRC is absolute garbage."

 

Most people find that it Generative Remove works very well, though it has some rough edges that will trip you up until you spend just a few mintues learning how to avoid them. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participant
October 23, 2024

I have been using the new Generative Remove feature and am LOVING IT!  True, it's not 100%, but pretty darn close!  It is what I have always dreamed of for my travel photography where you don't have complete control over objects such as cars, people, trash cans, powerlines, etc. Great addition to this new upgrade.

Also, another great upgrade if anyone hasn't tried it yet is the new Lens Blur.  Fantastic feature.

Participant
October 23, 2024

 

Bonsoir ,

je confirme que tout le système est ralenti de manière énorme , pas seulement l'AI , le reste aussi ..

j'espère moi aussi un correctif rapide car c'est un vrai problème !

Cordialement

Olivier

 

Participant
October 23, 2024

Hello I am writing to get help on a way to automate this type of image cleaning. It would be amazing that this could come as an auto detection of dust and scratches using the Visualize Spots funtion directly in Lightroom.  The first picture shows the original film scanned. It contains some little spots and tiny hairs.

 

 

 

The next picture shows the Remove tool enabled (Q) and the visualize spots also enabled.
After some time I managed to get rid of all the spots, but is there any way that Adobe can automate this?

Even if we can decide afterwards which white areas of the image we want to retain? This could help not just me, but many others too. 

 

 

 

 

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2024

Please repost this feature request in the forum's Ideas section, where Adobe and other users are more likely to see it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic/ct-p/ct-lightroom-classic?page=1&sort=latest_replies&filter=all&tabid=ideas

Participant
October 23, 2024

Saludos.

Tengo más de dos meses con la membresía y esta función IA regenerativo no me ha funcionado. He reistalado el programa y sigo con el mismo problema. 

johnrellis
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October 24, 2024

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@Dylan Montero: "I have been a member for over two months and this regenerative AI feature has not worked for me."

 

 

LR's English translation of that error:

 

"$$$/Clio/StatusCode/HTTP/Forbidden=We've encountered an issue and can't complete your request at this time. Please try again later."

 

Sometimes firewalls and anti-malware / anti-virus utilities incorrectly block some network requests from LR. Try these troubleshooting steps:

- Temporarily disable all the firewall / anti-malware on your computer. If that solves the problem, then add a specific exclusion for LR to the firewall's rules.

- Connect to another network, preferably one serviced by a different ISP. E.g. a Wifi connection of a neighbor, a coffee shop, work, or your phone's hotspot. Sometimes the routers in these networks block LR's requests, especially in authoritarian countries like China.

Participant
October 23, 2024

The removal of undesirable objects has become much worse, now the entire selected removal space is blurred/stained. Attached screenshot.

 

Cordially

Ines

johnrellis
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October 23, 2024

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@Golden Lens Photography: "The removal of undesirable objects has become much worse, now the entire selected removal space is blurred/stained."

 

 

This issue isn't new to LR 14 -- lots of similar examples from LR 13.  There are two possible causes of this:

 

1. You've applied Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. a Sky mask. Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask. In general, Adobe's designed workflow is to apply Remove first, then masking.

 

2. Sometimes Generative Remove doesn't do a good job of blending the replacement against uniform backgrounds like skies.  You can often work around this by making the selection even more ragged or much larger (e.g. to include a much larger part of the sky).

 

If the issue with this photo is this second reason, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, to provide actionable feedback for Adobe.