P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[johnrellis]

@Dario33844999kwmm: "problems removing power lines and other thin objects"

Detect Objects doesn't work well with thin objects, so uncheck it. See this previous post and my two replies for how to remove lines:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[arek_dofuture]

It works awfully after the update. Prior, it wasn't the best but it worked rather well. I considered all the tips and hints about reflections and shadows, and as a result, I keep getting some glow of the object (person in this case) I try to remove. For Photoshop it works flawlessly.

[johnrellis]

@arek_dofuture: " I keep getting some glow of the object"

Are you applying Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky or Background)?  If so, do Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the AI mask; or delete the mask, do Remove, then reapply the mask. 

If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[loyalt]

Thank you for the Early Access to Generative Remove. I am a professional photographer, both action sports and portraits. I am enjoying using this feature. There are many times, though, when it doesn't really remove the item circled, such as acne blemishes on high school seniors. That is my only suggestion. So far, it is very easy to use and I will use it often!  Thank you!

[johnrellis]

@loyalt: "There are many times, though, when it doesn't really remove the item circled, such as acne blemishes on high school seniors."

Adobe recommends using the other remove tools for small spots: Remove mode with Generative AI unchecked (the old content-aware), Heal mode, or Clone mode.

[philchavanne]

I have 2 observations to share: (a) The white line bordering the AI Remove area makes it hard to see how smoothly the AI action blends with the rest of the photograph.. You have to accept a change to get this white line to disappear, then blow up the area to see the blend, and then redo if the blend isn't smooth. It would be useful to have a toggle to hide that line before selecting one of the 3 changes generated; (b) If 2 areas are selected that do not have the same level of light or shadow density, the AI Remove will get one right and the other wrong. I have to work with separate masks.

[johnrellis]

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@philchavanne: "The white line bordering the AI Remove area makes it hard to see how smoothly the AI action blends with the rest of the photograph"

Set Tool Overlay to Auto:

When you move the mouse out of the photo proper, the overlay will disappear.

"If 2 areas are selected that do not have the same level of light or shadow density, the AI Remove will get one right and the other wrong."

Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so Adobe can see the issue in detail. Call out the areas giving the problem.

[stevefry77]

My first impression is that it is flat-out horrible. I have tried it many times, and it just does not remove unwanted objects. What is seen in the video on the old West set is something I cannot duplicate. My latest attempt was an image of a white tablecloth upon which is part of a fork and a keychain. I try to remove the fork part, but all I get are different versions of a fork. Back to PS it is.

[johnrellis]

@stevefry77: "My latest attempt was an image of a white tablecloth upon which is part of a fork and a keychain. I try to remove the fork part, but all I get are different versions of a fork."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[newplasticmachine]

Most of the time, the remove tool is comically bad. It's better in Photoshop, but in Lightroom its unusable, I export everything to photoshop. Lightroom is becoming an organisational tool, not much more.

[loyalt]

I find this comment to be a tad ridiculous and quite inaccurate. Lightroom
is fantastic as an editing tool, much more user friendly than PS and so
much more than just "an organizational tool." I am a professional sports
and portrait photographer and use Lightroom exclusively.

[johnrellis]

@newplasticmachine: "the remove tool is comically bad."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[newplasticmachine]

Here's a good example of something that should have been easy to remove.

I have a big black pole obscuring the building.

Generative remove went a little haywire.

While this might be OK for some of the commenters here 🙂 I'ts too far form the intended result for me.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

It seems to work fine for me: 

All three variations were acceptable.  A screenshot showing your actual brush stroke might be helpful in troubleshooting.

[newplasticmachine]

My brush stroke was precisely like yours, but the generative remove automatically made it 3 times the width, which the article seemed to imply was the proper way to do things.

[newplasticmachine]

I had "detect objects" clicked on.

[newplasticmachine]

When "Detect Objects" is deselected, I still get unsatisfactory results. I tried both the original RAW and the JPG. And when I use the settings in your photo, I get an entirely different behavior (red regions) the only way I can come close to replicating this is to use a brish size of 11 with Detect off, but still not satisfactory. This is truly strange IMHO. ALso included is the same proceedure I did in photoshop.

[johnrellis]

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@newplasticmachine, I may be missing something -- what's unsatisfactory about the first and third screenshots?  They look like Rikk's results.

In general Detect Objects doesn't work well with long skinny things like poles and power lines, and I often find myself unchecking it.  It results in selections that are too wide or disconnected or both, as seen in your second screenshot:

[newplasticmachine]

The third example is perfect, but done in Photoshop.

The first example created some bizarre distortions. Look at the building above the V in the sign.

That's probably acceptable for family snapshots but not for photography.

The strange thing is how wildly different these results are on the same image and same settings but on different computers.

RIkk's version HAD "detect objects" selected and appears to have no issue.

When I had "detect objects" selected (on raw as well as jog), it behaved entirely differently.

I don't know why it's so different for me Lightroom vs Photoshop, but it is. 

[johnrellis]

@newplasticmachine: "The third example is perfect, but done in Photoshop. The first example created some bizarre distortions."

Got it, thanks.

It seems that the Remove tools in both PS and LR are quite sensitive to the width and placement of the selection over the pole.  On the left is a fair bit of distortion from my first attempt in PS, and on the right is an example from LR that looks much better:

 

Regarding Rikk's screenshot, I'm skeptical that the selection shown in white outline was made with Detect Objects. I've never seen it make a selection like that with a perfectly rounded bottom -- that's the outline of a brush stroke made without Detect Objects. My experience with Detect Objects on lines and poles is that it always make a too-wide selection, often in disconnected pieces, just as you're experiencing.

Rikk, can you show us the red outline of the selection you made with Detect Objects?

[newplasticmachine]

I guess it's kind of a random thing. I wonder how much a computer and possibly internet connection, influences the results.

FWIW I do baseline color correction in LRC, then export to PS to take advantage of all the tools in that program, then return to RC for the final minor tweaks.

One thing that I do wish could be done simply in Lightroom is to create custom borders. I put all of my photos in a white square, and I believe it can be done in the print module, but it's far easier to use the crop tool in PS.

[patrice26925415ukla]

Good morning

Same comment as already read below: I was rtying to remove a leaf on a sold color sky and it was replaced by a smaller leaf (all three versions) . Sad result when one consider that previous version (yet called "testing version") was working perfectly well.

[johnrellis]

@patrice26925415ukla: "I was rtying to remove a leaf on a sold color sky and it was replaced by a smaller leaf (all three versions) ."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, including people who think that Remove has changed for the worse in LR 14, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[efficient_dancer5CC7]

When I try to remove something with the AI remove function of lightroom, instead of removing, all the proposals are to remplace. For example : instead of removing a car, it propose te replace by another car ! When I try to generate again, it still propose another car to replace !! It's a bug or to I have to modify a parameter ?

[C.Cella]

@efficient_dancer5CC7 you can't do much about it.

I want to make an example:
Original photo



I refreshed and I got 0 success rate upon several tries.

I open the image in Photoshop and entered instruction "Street"
Failure again, I was no specific enough so Ai "thought" that "street" could have a car (makes sense tbh)



But in Photoshop I can add more instructions to guide the AI

So I wrote "Street, no cars"
Success !


One of the 3 versions works.

The other ones are silly, I got giant walking furry creatures.

• BUT in Photoshop at least one can guide the AI so at last we are not at total mercy of what AI "thinks" will work.


One way to have higher success rate would be to have instructions.

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