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Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
August 13, 2024
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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Participant
October 31, 2024

 Sorry, I don't have a reply.

Participating Frequently
October 31, 2024

Dear, 

Object removals works not always well. The area of the brushed area is larger but object removal is not accurate anymore especially in complex photo's.  Too much has been removed 

Best regards

Lex

 

johnrellis
Legend
October 31, 2024

@lex_9408: "The area of the brushed area is larger but object removal is not accurate anymore especially in complex photo's.  Too much has been removed"

 

I think that in many cases, using Detect Objects makes the selection too big. In those cases, I usually get much better results unchecked it. If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participating Frequently
November 1, 2024

 @lex_9408: "I attached the one with removed objects. Now the original in jpeg"

 

Your attachments didn't make it, unfortunately. You have to come back to the web to add them to your reply (drag them to the box right below the reply box).


Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
October 31, 2024

Greetings all, 

 

Thank you for the feedback on the Generative Remove Feature thus far. We've noticed some comments in this thread that results from the Max release have, in some cases, been a regression from the August iteration of the feature. A change has been made on the server to address this today. 

For those of you who have seen sub-par results when compared with the August release, can you please rerun a few of your images through the Generative Remove tool again to see if the results have improved or if you are still facing issues? 

Thank you for your patience and we look forward to hearing additional feedback. 

 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Participant
October 31, 2024

What a I supposed to enter in this space.

johnrellis
Legend
October 31, 2024

@David_Latini1083, did you have a problem or question about the photo you attached?

Participant
October 31, 2024

Lightroom Classic 14.0.1

The Generative AI is fabulous! One thing I feel could be eventually achieved to improve is some way to *save* AI changes we've accepted so they can be applied across other images for a consistent look. For example, I have images of a bride where her bra was up above the back of her gown, and it was Velcroed together. I used the Generative AI to remove the bra strap, and it performed marvelously. I kept the choice simple because I felt it would be my best option for trying to find a consistent-looking option every time. On the next image, when I went to remove the bra strap, it only offered elaborate designs no matter how many times I generated new options. Obviously, I had to just pick the closest one in shape, since the eye would notice that first, but the look is still quite different if you look at the images a few times. I don't think my bride will be upset; I think she'll be pleased that the bra strap isn't showing and that she has those images, but since they aren't exaactly a scene one would print, it should be fine. However, if it was one of my more high end clients, I'd have to just Photoshop it and spend way more time on it than I'd prefer in order to make it look like the exact same dress every time. Keep up the great work!

Participant
October 31, 2024

Since the update, any generative AI + masks I have applied are automatically resetting every time I leave the photo or switch modules.  This means I have to constantly "update AI settings" for each photo and this is exhausting.

johnrellis
Legend
October 31, 2024

LR 14 introduced a severe bug where LR wouldn't properly save the AI settings for masking and Remove. Adobe says that LR 14.0.1 fixes it, but there might be additional steps you might have to take (see the second reply):

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-subject-mask-from-previous-versions-are-requesting-an-update/idi-p/14915210

 

Participating Frequently
October 31, 2024

Am I missing something, or has the opacity slider disappeared completely in the removal tool?

johnrellis
Legend
October 31, 2024

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@wa-so: "Am I missing something, or has the opacity slider disappeared completely in the removal tool?"

 

The new user-interface design of the Remove tool in LR 14 makes it very easy to miss.  After you click Remove, it will appear with the other controls that let you modify the removal: 

 

 

Participating Frequently
October 31, 2024

Oh yes, you're right!
Quite hidden compared to the previous version.

Participant
October 31, 2024

Doesn't work any more. Tried to remove a picture that was hanging from a wall - it just replaced it with another picture. How does this get through QA? Put it back how it was please.

Participant
October 31, 2024

Hi - I've been using the generative features of LC for 6 months or so, replacing complex items from images easily with great results. Very recently, it's not been working, I feel since LC started making the selcted area uch larger. Items are removed from images but leave a completely messed up area, as in this image, before and after. I wanted to remove a slim white pole. I selected the pole with a little extra but LC turned this into a much larger area, including the sign board at the bottom of the pole. See what LC did with the removal. Am I doing something wrong?

MacBook Pro 13" 2023, IOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Lightroom Classic 14.0.1

johnrellis
Legend
October 31, 2024

@Sydney17505080cms9: "since LC started making the selcted area uch larger. Items are removed from images but leave a completely messed up area, as in this image, before and after. I wanted to remove a slim white pole. I selected the pole with a little extra but LC turned this into a much larger area, including the sign board at the bottom of the pole. See what LC did with the removal. Am I doing something wrong?"

 

In both LR 13 and 14, I often get better results unchecking Detect Objects, especially with long skinny things like lines and poles. Remove almost always does better with some border around the object, but often Detect Objects makes it too big.

 

Retry with it unchecked. But if that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

SidewaysSyd
Participating Frequently
November 2, 2024

Thanks John..that worked. I need to read up on how to use this - I had no idea about unchecking Detect Objects

sakipo54272919
Participant
October 31, 2024

Remove, we usually want to remove an object and we selct it as precide as possible. But the remove process brings a red dyed area, which is much larger than what we want to remove. So this program thinks we do lousy job to identify what as to be removed. I am not lousy.
Second, I still see the object I want to remove in the generative removal. I have to try more times proposals. And after 4-6 times a totally remoed proposal comes. Why not as first one?

C.Cella
Inspiring
October 31, 2024

@sakipo54272919 When using Objects Detect Remove the selections is "auto expanded" about 500 pixels compared to the real selection.

 

The underlying idea is that the larger the area the better the Remove will be as hopefully shadows, reflections and other elements that need to be removed will be included in the auto expand.

 

It is actually better to paint the area ourselves than trust this auto expand that might include areas we don't need to remove OR not include shadows, reflections, connected parts.

 

You can chage the color of the overlay to what you want.

 

If you needed to refresh several times to get a usable results it might be either becasue (1) the area to remove was not painted big enough (2)  without instructions Ai can only guess what to generate so doens't know waht you need.

 

Please report the variations you got using the … menu in the selected Gen Remove.

The reports will be sent directly to Adobe for analysis, that's the best method to train better the Ai.

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